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Wrathtronx #1 Posted 30 December 2017 - 05:25 PM

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Hello guys i made this topic about which tank is better to continue to play.I have su 100m1,and i like that tank a lot,but i want to move one tier above.Soon i will unlock su101,i have unlocked Isu 152 everything except the engine and top gun,but it was painful grind and that is the reason why i sold that tank in first place.

Now i have the itch to play it again but i doubt if i will fail.

So guys please share ur opinion and experience about these tanks.What to play ?I think the isu 152 ammo cost a lot of silver.

I am not sure if Object 704 is better than the Su-122-54.

i will appreciate any help.



mortalsatsuma #2 Posted 30 December 2017 - 05:34 PM

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I stuck with Su-152 because nobody wants to get slapped with 152mm of HE fun. Personally, I could never get the hang of the ISU-152. I think the 704 is better than the 122-54 but the 263 is better than the 268. Ultimately comes down to if your overall goal is the tier 10 or not.

Balc0ra #3 Posted 30 December 2017 - 05:52 PM

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SU-152 is great even stock. SU-101 is the 2nd worst tier 8 stock grind I've had so far. Then again, I had little love for the SU-100M1 to. Tho the SU-101 at least can have bouncy armor, I'll give it that much.

Edited by Balc0ra, 30 December 2017 - 05:54 PM.


Wrathtronx #4 Posted 30 December 2017 - 05:58 PM

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I am asking guys because i have bad memory playing Isu 152.Can not decide,if i should go at su 101 or isu 152.I think Isu 152 ammo cost like 1650+ silver i think?and it is quite inaccurate and big aim time?I really need help guys.I do not know why people dislike SU-122-54?What is the reason?I think that line tank destroyers are pretty stealthy and fast moving and good dpm.

Share ur opinion experience,i am grateful!Thank u!


Edited by Wrathtronx, 30 December 2017 - 06:00 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #5 Posted 30 December 2017 - 06:01 PM

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101 you've got good mobility and the gun has high dpm with nice 330 pen gold rounds but the gun flexibility is not good.

ISU mobility doesn't matter it's all about slamming them in the face for 750.



ZlatanArKung #6 Posted 30 December 2017 - 06:45 PM

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SU-101 is more fun then ISU-152.

samuelx43a #7 Posted 30 December 2017 - 06:53 PM

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Do you like big numbers and waiting for a bit or seeing small numbers stack up in a short amount of time?

 

I'm personally at the 704, a very decent tier 9.

The VII is great fun to play, the VIII is still a massive threat if ignored and the IX is not to be messed with.

This is what I can more or less tell with the 268 line



Scabolcz #8 Posted 30 December 2017 - 06:56 PM

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ISU is no longer what it uses to be, specially being in Tier X games almost all the day, gun accuracy and new pen values will frustrate you quite a bit.

But it is still a fun tank, but yeah, if you don't want to be at the mercy of RNG, probably you want to go for the other TD line.

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 The Su-100m1 line is quite bad, surprisingly so. The m1 is decent, the 101 is decent but worse, the 122mm gun on it is horribly inaccurate (in reality it's less accurate than the same gun on any of the heavies), the su-122-54 is the biggest junk i've ever played, and the Obj 263 is good-ish but not great. The entire line lies to you about being a mobile and accurate line but it's not. Speed isn't great, acceleation isn't great, reverse speed is horrible, accuracy is either lack luster or terrible and the only one with any armor is the 263 which can't snap shoot to save it's life, and loses a lot of turn rate compared to the rest of the line. The swede TD line claims to do the same thing this line does only it actually does it, infinitely better and with much better camo rating. 

 Go for the SU-152, use the 122mm on it, it has better ROF than it does on the su-122-44, and it's more accurate, unless you are a gold spaming noob in which case you can use the 152 only with gold. The ISU will troll you with the big gun, but it will actually hurt when you eventually hit someone, unlike the su-101. And anything is better than the crap that is the 122-54, especially if it has armor. The only thing you will miss is the slightly better mobility at Tier 10, but that slight mobility the 263 has isn't enough to turn with a medium trying to flank you. 

Edited by Palora, 30 December 2017 - 07:03 PM.


Wrathtronx #10 Posted 30 December 2017 - 07:18 PM

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Thank u guys!Well sadly Rng plays a big role,with so accurate stock gun on panther i am missing lots of my shots even fully aimed.Today i could not penetrate St-emil with Kv2,using Zis gun 167 armor penetration.

This is what bothers me the most,cause i will miss fully aimed shots,cause of Rng in isu 152 and will cost me a lot of silver.

P.S guys i have another question,yesterday i did something stupid i researched Kv-4 by mistake,using free experience instead of researching the top gun,i lost 35k+free experience.

Do u guys think support would help me?I send them screen shots.


Edited by Wrathtronx, 30 December 2017 - 07:24 PM.


Scabolcz #11 Posted 30 December 2017 - 07:30 PM

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You can try to ask them to roll you account back before you researched KV-4

Palora #12 Posted 30 December 2017 - 08:02 PM

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 Inaccurate guns are in reality more accurate in the curent built, it's just the way they are. You will miss, badly, but less times.

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View PostScabolcz, on 30 December 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

ISU is no longer what it uses to be, specially being in Tier X games almost all the day, gun accuracy and new pen values will frustrate you quite a bit.

But it is still a fun tank, but yeah, if you don't want to be at the mercy of RNG, probably you want to go for the other TD line.

 

You make it sound like it was accurate before. And 260 pen is still more then... just about anything on tier 8. Like the S1 or CDA 105, it's fairly easy to play in a support role in a +2 to rack up damage vs most tier 8's.

 



malairt #14 Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:25 PM

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I like them both. 

 

The Su101 is the only high tier TD that I can keep stealthy.  It's accurate, reasonably fast loading, surprisingly good armour but poor damage per shot.  Nobody hates you

 

The ISU 152 is high damage per shot but misses a lot, has cardboard armour and is instantly visible to all when fired = a rapid death.  Everybody hates you

 

The 704 I couldn't drive at all and the 268 was even worse; they're both gone.  The SU122 54 is....difficult.  It's not particularly good at anything and I'm seriously thinking of giving up and buying back the SU 101.



Wrathtronx #15 Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:58 PM

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Guys i cant understand why people hate Su 122-54?What is the reason for that.Can anyone tell me the price of the ammo of top gun Isu 152 and top gun Su 101 ,i am sure the ammo is way cheaper in su 101.

Same for Su 122-54 to Object 704.

I am looking to play a Tier 8 tank destroyer in the russian line,i do not think to go at tier 9 or tier 10,cause it requires expensive maintenance.


Edited by Wrathtronx, 31 December 2017 - 12:00 AM.


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View PostWrathtronx, on 30 December 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

I am asking guys because i have bad memory playing Isu 152.Can not decide,if i should go at su 101 or isu 152.I think Isu 152 ammo cost like 1650+ silver i think?and it is quite inaccurate and big aim time?I really need help guys.I do not know why people dislike SU-122-54?What is the reason?I think that line tank destroyers are pretty stealthy and fast moving and good dpm.

Share ur opinion experience,i am grateful!Thank u!

 

Here, have a read. The vehicle sub-forum is jsut around the corner.

 

SU-122-54

SU-101

 

 

Regarding the line, WG apparently is going to change around the entire thing in 2018, and the changes they tested so far look outright horrible - the community actually seems to agree on that quite uniformly, yet it doesnt get into WGs thick skull. The 263 currently is a lot of fun and the only really decent tank in the line - fast, armored, brutal dpm and okay alpha. The SU-100M1 is okay-ish, the tier 8 and 9 are pretty horrible (see links above). The grind will most likely get better after the big change, as even WG can hardly mess up tanks that are as bad as these two currently are, but the question is whether the grind will still be worth it if the tier 10 becomes a super derpy gold magnet with no dpm.






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