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ValkyrionX #1 Posted 31 December 2017 - 11:21 AM

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hi to all, I would have questions to ask about changes in the Russian tech tree.
on the internet, and on the various sites and blogs have jumped out these images of the new soviet tech tree..

 

 

if I purchase the t10 I will be automatically given the new obj257 in the garage?

if I purchase the obj430 v2 will I also receive the obj430 automatically?

does anyone know which tank will be inserted as tier X after the t10?     obj777 v2 as tier X ....????

 

I can not understand the removal of the tank obj263 as tier 10 with the orrible obj268 v4.. but I can immediately find a good explanation......

 

do you remember when the lor40t was tier 9 before the bc25t? .. after some time since its removal here it is jumping out as a premium tier 8..this is what I think will happen to the SU 122 54 ...

early as premium russian td tier 8 ...:popcorn:

 

obj777 v2 new tier X heavy?

 

 

 



Eaglax #2 Posted 31 December 2017 - 11:49 AM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 31 December 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

if I purchase the t10 I will be automatically given the new obj257 in the garage?

if I purchase the obj430 v2 will I also receive the obj430 automatically?

 

I don't think so, because they are not the replacements, they are just additional tanks.

 

 



Browarszky #3 Posted 31 December 2017 - 11:54 AM

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When a new branch is added to the tech tree, you have to buy back the tank where it branches off (if you don't have it any more) even if it's been elited previously, don't you?

Blento0404 #4 Posted 31 December 2017 - 12:13 PM

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Well if you had Mouse you was given all the new tanks open. Both tier 9 and 10.

If you actually had those tanks in garage you was given those tanks for free.

Or maybe I mistaking.

Dont know.

 



Balc0ra #5 Posted 31 December 2017 - 12:29 PM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 31 December 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

if I purchase the t10 I will be automatically given the new obj257 in the garage?

if I purchase the obj430 v2 will I also receive the obj430 automatically?

does anyone know which tank will be inserted as tier X after the t10?     obj777 v2 as tier X ....????

 

Nothing is final yet, nor have they said how they plan to approach it with regards to the people owning the current tanks. But going by past tech tree changes and moves, I'm gonna say no on the T-10 one. As with the few recent tech tree changes where tanks have changed lanes, we only got to keep what we had. We did not get a new tank that replaced it etc. We did only get it unlocked in the tech tree. If it's not elite, the XP might stay on the new tank for all we know. Comparing it to the German HT changes for VK B owners that is.

 

As for the 430 going down a tier vs changing lanes. Nothing has been said there either on what their plan is. If the crew follows the tank, or will be retrained for the new one and stay on their current tier etc. There they have done different things in the past to regarding down tiers and splits. So who knows. But I would be surprised if you had the tier X and they did not give you the new one, as it's a tier X. 

 

View PostValkyrionX, on 31 December 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

I can not understand the removal of the tank obj263 as tier 10 with the orrible obj268 v4.. but I can immediately find a good explanation......

 

Their explanation for it was that they did hear people complain about it. But their tests showed that the 268 was to good at tier 9. And the 263's armor worked great as is vs their plan as is one tier down. 122-54 did not work at all as a tier 8.... Then again idk why they did not buff the 122-44 armor instead, and split the tier X's like they did with the Chinese HT's.

 

View PostValkyrionX, on 31 December 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

do you remember when the lor40t was tier 9 before the bc25t? .. after some time since its removal here it is jumping out as a premium tier 8..this is what I think will happen to the SU 122 54 ...

early as premium russian td tier 8 ...:popcorn:

 

Not the only tank they have done it on. British tier X med and the German Auf Panther that was just released on Console to name one. But as they said the SU-122-54 was terrible even as a tier 8 as is, thus the reason for the removal. They need to change it up a bit.

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 31 December 2017 - 01:28 PM.


deorum #6 Posted 31 December 2017 - 01:04 PM

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The su-122-54 was an absolute crap. it had no armor at all, it was basically auto-pen for anyone. 
It had no depression, so it would always need to expose to take a shot.

It had low alpha, meaning it would trade badly, and the high DPM meants nothing really.

OOhhhh, and it is not only turretless, but also had very narrow arcs of fire. 

 

It was pretty agile, yes, but being turretless, meant really nothing. 

 

the OBJ 263, as t is now worths EVERY XP that i grinded however, it is one of my favorite tanks, unique, and i scream in desprate once again DONT touch it. 
 Bringing it to t9, is a scam 

 It is not the same tank, only the name is the same. 

 It gets -40% DPM, -40% Accuracy

 Where you see it is the same? 
 Even the t10 equivelant has less DPM/Accuracy etc. 

 

 



Nallic #7 Posted 31 December 2017 - 01:21 PM

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What I'd like to know is, if there is any kind of compensation. Removing a T IX and downgrading a T X is all good and well but what about the millions of credits and the 250k experience used to grind it out? That's pretty lame, that's hours and hours of playing 'deleted'.

 

On a side note, I guess now is a good time to start banking XP on the Obj.263 and the T-10 then?



Uebergewicht #8 Posted 31 December 2017 - 01:38 PM

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I´m still super mad about this change. The 263 is the most fun tier 10 I own and they´re jsut scrapping it for some ugly, derpy tank that plays nothing like it :/

 

 

Regarding the changes overall, let´s see: The T-44 now leads to two tier 8s and three tier 10s. Maybe that´s why they buffed it so much? On the contrary, the 416 only leads to a single tier 10 now (which they apparently forgot to add, but I assume the line does not just end at tier 9). Similarly the Russian lines: The IS line now has two paths branching off it leading to three possible tier 10s, while the IS-4 line remains completely isolated and underpowered. This actually decreases the amount of freedom you have while grinding quite a bit, and means the IS-3s and T-44s are going to be the crucial grinding tanks.  Which is a shame, as there could easily be some cross-paths added, for example getting the IS-M from the KV-4 (KV-4s turret is already halfway backwards, and it´s also asidescraper). And, yeah, maybe something for the 416 as well, though that tank remains the odd one out in this line with a semi-turret and no armor.



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View PostBlento0404, on 31 December 2017 - 12:13 PM, said:

Well if you had Mouse you was given all the new tanks open. Both tier 9 and 10.

If you actually had those tanks in garage you was given those tanks for free.

Or maybe I mistaking.

Dont know.

 

 

nope.

you only got the tier 9 unlocked in the tree. There was no chance of getting the tier 10 unlocked and/or to get both of them in the garage.



Balc0ra #10 Posted 31 December 2017 - 02:30 PM

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View PostUebergewicht, on 31 December 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

Regarding the changes overall, let´s see: The T-44 now leads to two tier 8s and three tier 10s. Maybe that´s why they buffed it so much? On the contrary, the 416 only leads to a single tier 10 now (which they apparently forgot to add, but I assume the line does not just end at tier 9).

 

I suspect it's just a display error. Like we have seen before on tech tree leaks. As in I guess the Obj 430 and the 430 II will both lead to the same tier X, but having the 430 as the "shortcut" tank. Not having the 430 II as a dead end on tier 9. As that would be a first since like Version 7.8 or 8.0 or so when they removed the last few dead end tech tree trails.


Edited by Balc0ra, 31 December 2017 - 02:30 PM.





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