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M4A1 Revalorisé - the trully beast, but not in his matchmaking


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danielss2345 #1 Posted 02 January 2018 - 05:48 PM

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As you all know, M4A1 Revalorise is a very good tank for his tier, it has great shell velocity, good alpha damage, a lot of hitpoints, but when this tank meets tier X or even tier IX it becomes the worst tank I have ever seen. In the last time I've played the Revalorise a lot and 95% of the matches were tier X. It doesn't seem normal to me because in tier X, with 200 penetration, even 250 on HEAT rounds, you can't penetrate anything, maybe some lights, but not for sure. This tank needs so bad preferential matchmaking, as the T26E4 SuperPershing, wich meets only tier IX or lower. PLEASE consider this topic.

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As i started paying attention to map more often, and started choosing covering fire positions more wisely, using heavies as cover for incoming fire so i can aim, this tank proved to be a beast in any MM. Im sniping tops of t10s, patriots, finding weakspots with ease. Truth be told sometimes gun behaves like the stats portray it should, sometimes its potato STB1 level. Tank takes care since its made of paper and good wishes but again, with prem ammo flying like its fireworks at new years eve armor does not come into consideration all that much. I like it since i got better at it. Take care about positions and youll slowly change your opinion to "this tank is by far the best t8 med". 

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There is no problem with the tank itself, bur rather tier VIII MM at the moment, according to WG it's one of the things they prioritizing fixing during 2018, hopefully this "fix" won't ruin some other tier which is so often the case.

Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 02 January 2018 - 06:52 PM

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If you can't pen a tank in a tier 10 game you are shooting the wrong tank. There are enough tier 8s and 9s you can face and as you said there are also light tanks.

But i have to agree that tier 8 MM is foched.


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View Postdanielss2345, on 02 January 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

As you all know, M4A1 Revalorise is a very good tank for his tier, it has great shell velocity, good alpha damage, a lot of hitpoints, but when this tank meets tier X or even tier IX it becomes the worst tank I have ever seen. In the last time I've played the Revalorise a lot and 95% of the matches were tier X. It doesn't seem normal to me because in tier X, with 200 penetration, even 250 on HEAT rounds, you can't penetrate anything, maybe some lights, but not for sure. This tank needs so bad preferential matchmaking, as the T26E4 SuperPershing, wich meets only tier IX or lower. PLEASE consider this topic.

 

200/250 mm of pen can't pen the at least seven tier 8 tanks and the higher tier paper tanks? That is news to me. 

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 02 January 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

If you can't pen a tank in a tier 10 game you are shooting the wrong tank. There are enough tier 8s and 9s you can face and as you said there are also light tanks.

But i have to agree that tier 8 MM is foched.

 

It's so frustrating when you have to face tanks like Maus, E 100, jagdpanzer E 100, Mauschen + this s**t of matchmaking.

Enforcer1975 #8 Posted 02 January 2018 - 07:10 PM

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View Postdanielss2345, on 02 January 2018 - 07:07 PM, said:

 

It's so frustrating when you have to face tanks like Maus, E 100, jagdpanzer E 100, Mauschen + this s**t of matchmaking.

 

If you have to face enemy tier 9s and 1s0 because your mid and top tiers were muppets...apply vaseline, clench your teeth and hope you get better mm next round. Nothing you can really do.

I am currently struggling with similar teams when i play my S1 and i'm not even camping the red line unless there is no other spot i know off in range. You shoot the enemy tanks that poke on yours to bits and after you have them to like a oneshot your team gets a case of crapto the brains and loses half their health and don't even manage to kill that tank...


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View Postdanielss2345, on 02 January 2018 - 07:07 PM, said:

 

It's so frustrating when you have to face tanks like Maus, E 100, jagdpanzer E 100, Mauschen + this s**t of matchmaking.

 

I always thought the revalorise was faster than those tanks. Who forces you to face them? Do you really think other tier 8 prems enjoy facing e100s and jagdpanzers?

 

I think they don't. 


Edited by HugSeal, 02 January 2018 - 07:22 PM.


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View PostEnforcer1975, on 02 January 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

If you have to face enemy tier 9s and 1s0 because your mid and top tiers were muppets...apply vaseline and hope you get better mm next round. Nothing you can really do.

 

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View PostHugSeal, on 02 January 2018 - 07:21 PM, said:

 

I always thought the revalorise was faster than those tanks. Who forces you to face them? Do you really think other tier 8 prems enjoy facing e100s and jagdpanzers?

 

I think they don't. 

 

When your teammates suddenly disappears at least you can do some more damage, even some kills, but not with this tank. It's a premium tank, i payed money for this, to make some credits, but can't do that because every time i have to face tier X.

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View Postdanielss2345, on 02 January 2018 - 07:26 PM, said:

 

When your teammates suddenly disappears at least you can do some more damage, even some kills, but not with this tank. It's a premium tank, i payed money for this, to make some credits, but can't do that because every time i have to face tier X.

 

If all your teammates die off you will lose the game no matter what. That is nothing unique to the revalorise. As for the extra shots of damage, as I said your tank is quite a bit faster than the ones you mentioned, go hunt something else for those last shots. 

 

Are you saying your team just dies off every game you play in the revalorise? Because then it sounds as if you stay too far back. You don't have to face tier tens. 



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Yeah well, matchmaking treats every tier 8 medium equally shitty, m4rev is one of few that don't cause terminal diseases after day of playing. 

Just a flu. 



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View Postdanielss2345, on 02 January 2018 - 07:07 PM, said:

 

It's so frustrating when you have to face tanks like Maus, E 100, jagdpanzer E 100, Mauschen + this s**t of matchmaking.

 

That right there is your problem. Don't fight Mauses. Let your tier10's do that.

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 02 January 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

 

That right there is your problem. Don't fight Mauses. Let your tier10's do that.

 

Tier 10s are hiding behind my Revolver and refuse to play - how about that?

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 02 January 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

 

That right there is your problem. Don't fight Mauses. Let your tier10's do that.

Thats a very optimistic statement. There will be plenty games where you eventually will have to face those tier X's. Thats one of the issues with the frequency of getting bottom tier games as tier 8 all the time.



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View PostSebenza, on 02 January 2018 - 11:45 PM, said:

Thats a very optimistic statement. There will be plenty games where you eventually will have to face those tier X's. Thats one of the issues with the frequency of getting bottom tier games as tier 8 all the time.

 

But that applies to every non pref tier 8 tank. How is the revolver a special case?

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View PostHugSeal, on 02 January 2018 - 11:50 PM, said:

 

But that applies to every non pref tier 8 tank. How is the revolver a special case?

Its not, really. Tier 8 in general is screwed by the mm. Probably some tanks suffer more then others though, wouldnt know if the Rev is among them, as I dont have it.

 

It was more of a general remark in response to a general sweeping statement as "Easy...Let your 10's fight the enemy's 10's"



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I bought this tank on discount the last weekend, like any other tier VIII it suffers from the bad MM we have these days. Saying so, the gun in this tank is very good. I carry vert. stabilizers and the accuracy moving is great. It is a good premium tank and in good hands can make a lot of credits. This was my 10th match on this tank, I made 250k credits, including personal and xmas bonus.

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View PostSebenza, on 02 January 2018 - 11:02 PM, said:

Its not, really. Tier 8 in general is screwed by the mm. Probably some tanks suffer more then others though, wouldnt know if the Rev is among them, as I dont have it.

 

It was more of a general remark in response to a general sweeping statement as "Easy...Let your 10's fight the enemy's 10's"

 

That statement is indeed bollocks, and a shitty excuse for blatantly bad matchmaking - that 'supposedly' is valid for the casual players.

 

Anyway, most T8s gets screwed by MM. Some are workable if you press '2' twice; there are at least three tanks I can think of that can pretend to be a T9 tank more or less. Rev. is not one of them. It's no wonder TDs are this popular when they more or less get to play exactly the same regardless of matchmaking or map - and most have no real disadvantages when compared to the role bottom-tier mediums are forced to play.






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