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Should the Object 252U/Defender be rebalanced to Tier 9 to be the 1st (EDIT: AND ONLY) Proper Tier 9 Premium Tank?

  1. Yes (41 votes [35.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.96%

  2. No. (68 votes [59.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.65%

  3. Abstain. (5 votes [4.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.39%

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Mr_Beefy #1 Posted 06 January 2018 - 03:41 PM

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Here it is fellow Pixel Tank Warriors.

The solution to the Object252U/Defender.

 

Make it a Tier 9 Premium Tank.  Unlike the T55A, that only allows crew training, the Defender/252U would also make credits.

 

This takes this OP tank out of T8 CW/SH.  

 

Opinions?


Edited by Mr_Beefy, 06 January 2018 - 03:56 PM.


Mr_Beefy #2 Posted 06 January 2018 - 03:41 PM

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Added benefit for WG?

They could charge more money for it.



Enderman21 #3 Posted 06 January 2018 - 03:41 PM

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no, f off

Mr_Beefy #4 Posted 06 January 2018 - 03:44 PM

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View PostEnderman21, on 06 January 2018 - 04:41 PM, said:

no, f off

 

No.

lord_chipmonk #5 Posted 06 January 2018 - 03:49 PM

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I know what you're getting at, but I don't really want the introduction of tier 9 prems. 

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 06 January 2018 - 04:49 PM, said:

I know what you're getting at, but I don't really want the introduction of tier 9 prems. 

 

​I think that in general, you are right.  No need for it.  But this is a special situation.

Once upon a time, T8 CW/SH was IS3, 50-100, Pershing, T54L, T32 w/ stock gun.

Now?  252U, M41GF, Lor40t, Patriot/Liberte, WZ120 T8 Chinese TD.  Basically, OP but not broken T8 prems have replaced the tech tree tanks that used to compete. EDIT: with the exception of the 252U/Defender, which is OP AND Broken.  Essentially, an IS7 in tier 8.

 

Players that have not bought the 252U/Defender are at a disadvantage.  This solution would make the T8 game more balanced in my opinion, and would also enable better credit earning in Tier 8 Sh.


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lord_chipmonk #7 Posted 06 January 2018 - 03:58 PM

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I'd rather they just balanced the tier 8 prems in question (and the rest of tier 8) properly. 

Tankenstein #8 Posted 06 January 2018 - 03:59 PM

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Just put it on sale and hype about op will disapier. 

 

Hype about him is just exaggerated. It is just deacent havy. 



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I don't have anything against tier 9 premium tanks themselves, however it's bad enough that someone which have played 0 games can buy a tier 8 premium tank today, making it possible to get even further up wouldn't be a good thing due to that and that alone. 

 

The Defender have put WG in a peculiar spot, it's very obvious it's over-performing and it don't need much more than some HP and a bit of a mobility buff to make it a tier 10 HT, that would put it quite close to the IS-7. They can't really nerf it easily since it's a premium and if they were to buff every other tier 8 tank to get on par with it they would screw with the overall balance a lot. 

 

Why they introduced something that just by looking at the stats would perform like it does is beyond me, sure short term they most likely get a nice income boost, but as soon as they start to screw with the balance in this magnitude they paint themselves into a corner.  



Bucifel #10 Posted 06 January 2018 - 04:05 PM

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yes please !

ANY change what means a NERF to this p2w turd is wellcome !



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 06 January 2018 - 04:58 PM, said:

I'd rather they just balanced the tier 8 prems in question (and the rest of tier 8) properly. 

 

​Balancing all those tier 8 prems? Or just rebalance 1?

The only one of that list that has broken armor is the 252U/Defender.  It should NEVER face Tier 6 tanks.  NEVER EVER!!!  Even Tier 7 tanks have problems with it, hell, even tier 10 tanks bounce regularly on it.  

WG absolutely did the right thing by removing it from sale.  But the solution to fix it is truly moving it up 1 tier.  

 

An example of a tank that this was done with is the old KV1S that turned into the meh KV85, but the premium version, the KV122, is a superb T7 HT, that is what the KV1S should have been to begin with.



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View PostTankenstein, on 06 January 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

Just put it on sale and hype about op will disapier. 

 

Hype about him is just exaggerated. It is just deacent havy. 

 

Here you have the curves for them:

 

That's not hype, that's how a broken P2W premium looks like.



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View PostMr_Beefy, on 06 January 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

 

Players that have not bought the 252U/Defender are at a disadvantage.  This solution would make the T8 game more balanced in my opinion, and would also enable better credit earning in Tier 8 Sh.

 

For SH the solution could also be just to ban all premium tanks. Certainly with the situation that not all premium tanks are available anymore this would at least for SH create a level playing field.



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Abstained, because its totally pointless as any changes to premiums with published and advertised stats that in anyway form some sort of nerf, places the owners on firm footing for a legal refund.

You can not nerf premiums that have been sold and advertised of a published form and state, unless WG are going to refund. 

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View PostSuedKAT, on 06 January 2018 - 05:04 PM, said:

I don't have anything against tier 9 premium tanks themselves, however it's bad enough that someone which have played 0 games can buy a tier 8 premium tank today, making it possible to get even further up wouldn't be a good thing due to that and that alone. 

 

The Defender have put WG in a peculiar spot, it's very obvious it's over-performing and it don't need much more than some HP and a bit of a mobility buff to make it a tier 10 HT, that would put it quite close to the IS-7. They can't really nerf it easily since it's a premium and if they were to buff every other tier 8 tank to get on par with it they would screw with the overall balance a lot. 

 

Why they introduced something that just by looking at the stats would perform like it does is beyond me, sure short term they most likely get a nice income boost, but as soon as they start to screw with the balance in this magnitude they paint themselves into a corner.  

 

​Maybe a solution would be to change it's MM.  -1+2.

It should not face tier 6.



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View PostTankenstein, on 06 January 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

Just put it on sale and hype about op will disapier. 

 

Hype about him is just exaggerated. It is just deacent havy. 

 

The Defender is one of the few tanks where the hype is justified. It significantly overperforms in the hands of pretty much everyone. 

 

View PostSuedKAT, on 06 January 2018 - 04:04 PM, said:

I don't have anything against tier 9 premium tanks themselves, however it's bad enough that someone which have played 0 games can buy a tier 8 premium tank today, making it possible to get even further up wouldn't be a good thing due to that and that alone. 

 

The Defender have put WG in a peculiar spot, it's very obvious it's over-performing and it don't need much more than some HP and a bit of a mobility buff to make it a tier 10 HT, that would put it quite close to the IS-7. They can't really nerf it easily since it's a premium and if they were to buff every other tier 8 tank to get on par with it they would screw with the overall balance a lot. 

 

Why they introduced something that just by looking at the stats would perform like it does is beyond me, sure short term they most likely get a nice income boost, but as soon as they start to screw with the balance in this magnitude they paint themselves into a corner.  

 

In bold is my objection. I agree with all your comments regarding the Defender though. 



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View PostMr_Beefy, on 06 January 2018 - 04:08 PM, said:

​Balancing all those tier 8 prems? Or just rebalance 1?

 

If you want my honest opinion, they should just nerf the Defender and be done with it. 



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View Postclixor, on 06 January 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

 

For SH the solution could also be just to ban all premium tanks. Certainly with the situation that not all premium tanks are available anymore this would at least for SH create a level playing field.

 

​That wouldn't work, since in T8 SH is a big source of Silver for Many Many Clan players.

The 252U/Defender is truly the only tank in this tier that is a problem.  None of the other tanks in T8 are a problem.  Whether premium or tech tree.



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View PostMr_Beefy, on 06 January 2018 - 04:12 PM, said:

​That wouldn't work, since in T8 SH is a big source of Silver for Many Many Clan players.

 

Perhaps it shouldn't be?

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View PostDumbNumpty, on 06 January 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

Abstained, because its totally pointless as any changes to premiums with published and advertised stats that in anyway form some sort of nerf, places the owners on firm footing for a legal refund.

You can not nerf premiums that have been sold and advertised of a published form and state, unless WG are going to refund. 

 

​That is not really the case anymore, since the Super Pershing debacle, WG has included a clause in their purchase agreement stating that the tank can have it's stats changed.  

Will they nerf it? I doubt it, because it will look bad.

But if they move it up a tier, balance it as a T9 HT, give it a better credit coefficient, then sell it as a t9 premium for more money, then players that have it lose the rofl'stomping in T8-6 games, but gain a Proper T9 HT Prem.






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