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CircleOfSorrow #1 Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:42 PM

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I have no idea what I am doing.  If you look at my stats, you will agree that this is obvious.

 

I have just finished grinding the T25/2, and have bought the T28 Prot.  I don't have any desire to keep the T25/2, even though I performed better in it than I had any right to, and the crew has sixth sense and camo for skills.

 

Should I;

 

A: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver

B: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver and reset skills to repair for silver

C: Buy a new crew for silver

D: Put four girls and a guy (radio operator) into the T28 Prot with the intention of moving the girls into the T28/T95 in the future

E: Drink bleach

 

Also, do you think a backward redtard like myself would overperform in a Patriot?  I think I do ok in my T29, and thought it might be similar.

 

Thank you very much.



TsundereWaffle #2 Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:48 PM

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Option E sounds rather appealing...

Xqual #3 Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:52 PM

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B.

You are going to need repairs in the T28



Dava_117 #4 Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:59 PM

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I would say B. Except for the commander where you should keep 6th sense. :)

ScottishJunky #5 Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:18 AM

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Aikl #6 Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:55 AM

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How far is the crew from getting a new skill?

 

While you want repairs on that thing, in randoms you're screwed if you play like too risky. It's not a heavy tank. It's a T8 - and guess how many battles you see where you can actually pretend to be a heavy tank. Go for the TD approach instead.

 

Patriot is kind of similar to the T29, but the penetration is kinda trash for a T8. 230mm-pen APCR performs worse than the 110's 215mm-pen AP, for instance. It makes more sense to get the Patriot if you like the Pershing. Fair enough for a crew trainer, but it's not exactly overpowered. Shotgun-range and hulldown it does a fair job, of course.

(Löwe is actually more like the T29, and with the MM the T8s get, it's way more useful than the Patriot.)


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CircleOfSorrow #7 Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:11 AM

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View PostAikl, on 08 January 2018 - 11:55 PM, said:

How far is the crew from getting a new skill?

 

While you want repairs on that thing, in randoms you're screwed if you play like too risky. It's not a heavy tank. It's a T8 - and guess how many battles you see where you can actually pretend to be a heavy tank. Go for the TD approach instead.

 

Patriot is kind of similar to the T29, but the penetration is kinda trash for a T8. 230mm-pen APCR performs worse than the 110's 215mm-pen AP, for instance. It makes more sense to get the Patriot if you like the Pershing. Fair enough for a crew trainer, but it's not exactly overpowered. Shotgun-range and hulldown it does a fair job, of course.

(Löwe is actually more like the T29, and with the MM the T8s get, it's way more useful than the Patriot.)

 

The crew is only a few percent from their second skill.

 

A great response.  Thank you very much.



250swb #8 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:40 AM

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Keep camo and use a Toolkit instead of Vents if you are just starting out training Repair skills, when they get to a reasonable level (maybe 40%) level drop the Toolkit and revert to Vents. 

Homer_J #9 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:58 AM

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 09 January 2018 - 12:11 AM, said:

 

The crew is only a few percent from their second skill.

 

Option A then, and train repair next.  The way skill training works you get most of the benefit quite quickly.



dan_dix #10 Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:26 AM

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The crew skills sound kind of low - when I got to the T28 Prot I already had 2+ skills on the crew, but that was with a crew that ground up from T3... you need to train it more. I use my hellcat to train crews, but I'm only a mission away from the T28THC

 

I would also go for A, but not change anything with regards to skills. I would grind the modules on the T28 Prot and play until the crew has 2+ skills, then reset skills to have BIA for the crew, with 6th Sense for Commander, Snap shot for gunner, off-road driving for driver, camo for loader and camo or Situational Awareness for radio operator. Then as third skill start training recon on commander and camo or repairs on the rest. I wouldn't give that much for repair skills in this tank as it's quite slow anyway and relies more on armor, rather increase chance of spotting and doing damage - DPM and gun stats. YMMV and all that

 

Option D would get you there faster but it would be a pity to put a girl crew in a TD as a matter of principle



undutchable80 #11 Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:59 AM

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thing to remember with the T26E5 / Patriot is that they are basically an up-armored M26 Pershing, but labeled as a heavy tank. In no way should it be played like the T29! Took me several games to figure that out. :harp: Plus they are bad US HT crew trainers, since the Patriot has a 5-man crew and the US HTs have 6-man crews. I had to train my T29 crew to third skill, swap out the loader for a fresh one and train him up to third. By the end that meant all other crew members were well on 4+ skills, but my T29 is a beast now. :justwait:

Cobra6 #12 Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:04 AM

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A, if you don't want to spend gold and really don't want to continue playing the T25/2.

 

T28 Prot is a good tank if you know what you are doing.

T30 is a better tank if you know what you are doing.

T110E4 is a really damn nice tank if you know what you are doing.

 

T25/2 is the oddball in the line and it's quite frankly underwhelming as a TD.

 

To add to that: NEVER reset skills for credits if you are past your first skill, you'll have to play quite a lot to make up for that loss of skill.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 09 January 2018 - 11:06 AM.


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View Postundutchable80, on 09 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Plus they are bad US HT crew trainers, since the Patriot has a 5-man crew and the US HTs have 6-man crews. :justwait:

 

Well, the M103 has a 5 man crew (different layout though) and the T10 heavies have a four man crew. So it depends what crew you want to train.

undutchable80 #14 Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:10 AM

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View PostGeno1isme, on 09 January 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

 

Well, the M103 has a 5 man crew (different layout though) and the T10 heavies have a four man crew. So it depends what crew you want to train.

 

You are right. Didnt look past the T29 & T30, since I stopped my US HT grind after eliting the T29...

Lycopersicon #15 Posted 09 January 2018 - 03:52 PM

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If your crew is only a few % from completing their first skill, then I would keep playing T-25/2 until they are about 50% second skill, and then use the option A. Or, if you are really fed up with T-25/2, you have option B. If you retrain your crew straight away without resetting their skills, then you will have to recover from 90% to 100%, then complete the last few % (which will take a big load of experience, as last % always do), and all this without repair skill.

Edited by Lycopersicon, 09 January 2018 - 03:53 PM.


PhooBar #16 Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:27 PM

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A: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver

B: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver and reset skills to repair for silver

C: Buy a new crew for silver

D: Put four girls and a guy (radio operator) into the T28 Prot with the intention of moving the girls into the T28/T95 in the future

E: Drink bleach

F: Draw a fish and come back home to the Dingers, where a NOOB© belongs.



Isharial #17 Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:14 PM

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 08 January 2018 - 11:42 PM, said:

I have no idea what I am doing.  If you look at my stats, you will agree that this is obvious.

 

I have just finished grinding the T25/2, and have bought the T28 Prot.  I don't have any desire to keep the T25/2, even though I performed better in it than I had any right to, and the crew has sixth sense and camo for skills.

 

Should I;

 

A: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver

B: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver and reset skills to repair for silver

C: Buy a new crew for silver

D: Put four girls and a guy (radio operator) into the T28 Prot with the intention of moving the girls into the T28/T95 in the future

E: Drink bleach

 

Also, do you think a backward redtard like myself would overperform in a Patriot?  I think I do ok in my T29, and thought it might be similar.

 

Thank you very much.

 

go for A

B - meh, I don't bother with repairs

C - 75% crew on a T8? your insane

D - possibility, but its still going to be the same as A in the end, so do A and ditch this idea


 


 

or you can do E if the others are too annoying or complicated to do...


 

patriot is not a T29, the turret is not the same armour wise, its slower than a T29, and you also have to face things like Maus. so no, you would most likely hate your existence and wonder what a mong you were for thinking that very question...

it doesn't have the same kind of armour, and your turret is basically not armoured at all against anything your own tier and above

you have 200mm points on the turret front and mantlet is 250mm.. basically every T8+ tank has that kind of pen, so don't expect to bounce even the dumbest of opponents whereas on the T29, you have one point just below the mantlet (bar the cupola) that's pennable by a 200mm shell, but its such a small zone you'll be unlikely to get hit there, the mantlet is 280mm~, barely anything T8 and below has that kind of pen



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View PostPhooBar, on 10 January 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

A: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver

B: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver and reset skills to repair for silver

C: Buy a new crew for silver

D: Put four girls and a guy (radio operator) into the T28 Prot with the intention of moving the girls into the T28/T95 in the future

E: Drink bleach

F: Draw a fish and come back home to the Dingers, where a NOOB© belongs.

 

What he said^^:great:

Captain_Kremen0 #19 Posted 11 January 2018 - 11:48 AM

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View PostAikl, on 08 January 2018 - 11:55 PM, said:

How far is the crew from getting a new skill?

 

Enable the new skill before transfer! If you are changing class type any unused skill will be lost on transfer. I found out the 99% hard way.



StinkyStonky #20 Posted 11 January 2018 - 12:31 PM

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 08 January 2018 - 10:42 PM, said:

A: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver

This is a good default answer that you should use for most tanks (unless you like spending money and have more gold than you know what to do with).

B: Use the T25/2 crew in the T28 Prot and retrain for silver and reset skills to repair for silver

I rarely reset skills for silver.  The XP pool in the skill/perk set is MUCH higher than for the main role and so losing 10% can be A LOT of XP.  So I would recommend using gold, except if it's to get an important first perk like 6th sense.

C: Buy a new crew for silver

This is required if you plan to keep any of the tanks (i.e. if you love the T25/2 or T28 prot.  It's also needed if you plan to go down both the E3 & E4 lines.  In general I would advise grinding new crews in lower tier tanks, so T67/Hellcat would probably be better choices than the T25/2

D: Put four girls and a guy (radio operator) into the T28 Prot with the intention of moving the girls into the T28/T95 in the future

This is a variant of C and so those answers apply.  If you aren't sure what to do with your girls then putting them in a "large" nation is better than putting them in a "thin" one.  If you make them Czech then they are stuck on that single medium line.  If make them US TDs and then give up on the TD lines (for whatever reason), you can always retrain the female crew to a different US line.  You seem to play TDs quite a bit so if you think you will like the US lines then using your girls here isn't a bad plan.

E: Drink bleach

I wouldn't advise this.

 

Also, do you think a backward redtard like myself would overperform in a Patriot?  I think I do ok in my T29, and thought it might be similar.

For me the real power of the Patriot is its credit grinding.  It's a Heavium, and so your T29 pleasure may not fully transfer to the Patriot.  The T29 is widely regarded as the best Tier 7 (heavy) in the game.  The Patriot is good but I don't think many consider it to be the best Tier 8.  I think you'd do well in the Patriot if you stopped considering yourself to be a "backward redtard".

 






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