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Is it just me, or do all Tier 8 premium tanks suck?


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Run1c #1 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:23 AM

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So yeah. Haven't played in a while, and after playing my Löwe, T34 and FCM50T they all feel horribly underpowered now, to the point that my WR with T34 since starting to try again is around 10%. It used to be a good credit maker that could take on the big boys when played correctly as a support, but now it feels awful. To me it appears that the tier 10 tanks are basically so overpowered (on average) that there just isn't crapyou can do really. Maybe get one or two shots off, then someone just rolls over you with a Super Conqueror from 2km away, casually killing some other T8's while at it.

Has the meta somehow shifted in a direction that you're now in a really bad place on a T8 premium?


And most importantly, is there any premium 8 tank you can earn credits with and actually have a shot at more balanced gameplay?



HonoredStone #2 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:28 AM

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Skorpion G. 248 pen, 490 alpha und no armor to worry about. A tier 2 can pen you just as easy as a tier 10. So the Matchmaker doesn't matter. 

The Löwe is pretty good as well right now. It got buffed massively a while ago.


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truoste #3 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:40 AM

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You are going to be bottom tier most of the time so anything that does not try to rely on armor and has a good gun. Skorpion G as suggested sounds about right. Strv perhaps if you like that sort of thing. Other than that, forget premium tanks and buy premium time (if you have to) and grind credits with normal tanks that you actually enjoy playing. 

 

Only time you should play tier 8 with current MM is 2x (or 3 or 5) for tanks that you are grinding or if you have been a bad boy and want to punish yourself. Some people like that sort of thing, go figure.


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Gremlin182 #4 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:42 AM

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Its not the tanks its probably not even you being out of practice but tier 8 right now is pretty horrible.

 

The 3-4-8 games are a pain it means that a tier 8 tank spends a lot of the time bottom tier its forced me into playing tier 9 and 10 tanks which I am not good enough to play well consistently, but its the only way to get decent games right now.

 

I would have hoped that wargaming would have reverted to the earlier MM until such time as they can make a new one that works seems it doesn't work that way or what I am suggesting is not easy or even possible.

 

 



shane73tank #5 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:55 AM

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As per above welcome to the new MM however I believe the low should perform, perhaps you’re rusty and better off getting your mojo back at T6  ? 

Gardar7 #6 Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:10 AM

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Strv S1: 288mm pen, same damage as tier 10 and it has an excellent concealment. I think it is worth a try on test server at least. My personal favourite is T-34-3, although it has only 175mm penetration, but the limited MM helps a lot.

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View PostRun1c, on 09 January 2018 - 07:23 AM, said:

So yeah. Haven't played in a while, and after playing my Löwe, T34 and FCM50T they all feel horribly underpowered now, to the point that my WR with T34 since starting to try again is around 10%. It used to be a good credit maker that could take on the big boys when played correctly as a support, but now it feels awful. To me it appears that the tier 10 tanks are basically so overpowered (on average) that there just isn't crapyou can do really. Maybe get one or two shots off, then someone just rolls over you with a Super Conqueror from 2km away, casually killing some other T8's while at it.

Has the meta somehow shifted in a direction that you're now in a really bad place on a T8 premium?


And most importantly, is there any premium 8 tank you can earn credits with and actually have a shot at more balanced gameplay?

 

more balanced gameplay, no.

but there are more than a few premiums that are very good credit earners and perform very well in battle.



adameitas #8 Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:45 AM

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well most of them would be at least average if not that new MM system when one tier mm they count as top tier game.. Atm i see only 4 t8 prem tanks worth playing. Bulldog and wz td bc they are fun. Skorpion bc it doest matter what tier it sees. Type59 bc of limited mm. Lowe is also still good but simply too slow. S1 is too situational. 252U is tier 9. So in general grinding creds now (after NY fest gonna end) is real pain in randoms.

WhoCares01 #9 Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:52 AM

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T26E5 (Patriot) still has a good reputation as one of the best credit earners. I am actually considering to get me one (it's currently in the shop) to shuffle between it and the Skorpion G to power grind credits while the XMas event lasts...

Run1k #10 Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:54 AM

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I kind of figured that the Swedish premium TD would do the job, since it has a tier 10 gun.

How do I get the Scorpion? It's not in the store.

macenkrace #11 Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:59 AM

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Actually with the current MM no premium tank is worth it. No tier 8 is worth it. Take either the scorpion at tier 7 or E25. Those two can actually do a lot of stuff and are quite fun to play.

truoste #12 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:00 AM

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View PostWhoCares01, on 09 January 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

T26E5 (Patriot) still has a good reputation as one of the best credit earners. I am actually considering to get me one (it's currently in the shop) to shuffle between it and the Skorpion G to power grind credits while the XMas event lasts...

 

That is an excellent tank and I enjoy that sort of gameplay but I cannot even remember the last time I played mine: constant tier 10 games and those are mostly decided by which team has more braindamaged top tiers. You can still make credits but the fun part sort of depends if you like to just participate or want to have an actual influence. 

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Balc0ra #13 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:11 AM

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T34, yeah I'm not gonna argue with that, even with the high pen. DPM kills that one alone. Lowe is actually rather good after the recent buffs if you play it right. It's not that good for pushing lanes in the current meta. But it holds a corner better then most with that pen and mantle combo. That and the T26E4 are still great income machines for me. T26E4 as it's cheap to run.

 

Tho of late the CDA 105 have taken over slowly after I got that. As it's fairly easy to farm damage in it, even in tier X games. And damage = Credits.



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View PostRun1c, on 09 January 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

How do I obtain the Skorpion G?

 

The Skorpion G is currently not in the premium shop. There is a chance of getting one from the Christmas lootboxes, but if you don´t feel like gambling, just wait a bit. It´s the most popular tier 8 prem and on sale rather frequently, sometimes multiple times a month.

undutchable80 #15 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:16 AM

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View PostRun1c, on 09 January 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

How do I obtain the Skorpion G?

 

It has been on sale in the shop several times these past few months. so you missed that. Currently the only way to get one is buy christmas boxes and HOPE you get one. Otherwise just wait, it seems the Skorpion is WG's cash cow and will sell it again within the next few months...

qpranger #16 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:17 AM

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View PostRun1c, on 09 January 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

How do I obtain the Skorpion G?

 

It goes on sale like every two weeks.

Aikl #17 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:21 AM

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View PostWhoCares01, on 09 January 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

T26E5 (Patriot) still has a good reputation as one of the best credit earners. I am actually considering to get me one (it's currently in the shop) to shuffle between it and the Skorpion G to power grind credits while the XMas event lasts...

 

In some ways, the Patriot often ends up being a glorified, slow T8 MT. It looks better on paper than it actually is. Pen is not great. Shell velocity's nothing to brag about. It's fast when the armor works, slow when it does not; the turret's strong, but the hull armor's not much to brag about against even other T8s.

 

It'll still make credits, of course. I'd consider something like the Panther/M10 too. for a change of pace.



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View PostWhoCares01, on 09 January 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

T26E5 (Patriot) still has a good reputation as one of the best credit earners. I am actually considering to get me one (it's currently in the shop) to shuffle between it and the Skorpion G to power grind credits while the XMas event lasts...

 

main problem about patriot is that vs t10 gun (and now as we all know t8 sees many of them) you must be very focused (also change your game style compare in playing as top tier) to perform good also despite being quite good t8 it still is mostly hopeless to carry in t10. It is just too slow and has bad alpha for that. While skorpions value is that in this tank in most cases (no matter what tier you are vs) you gonna play same. Also it is mobile and has great gun.

 

Main t8 problem is that unlike before mm changes now even before pressing "battle" you already know that you wont be top tier most like (and if you are in platoon that is for sure) this kind of "knowing" just kills any point in playing it.. it is like to buy Christmas boxes you know that you can get t8 prem but most likely you wont get it..  before new mm you knew if you got some games vs t10 guns in a row you wont see them for like 4-5 next games.  Or if you saw a lot of t10 guns whole evening you knew that next day it wont be a case.. Thats how i see balance: to be 2 times true top tier and 2 times bottom tier same hour.. not like now when you can see no t6 several hours.. And if you platoon you might not see them whole evening..



Dex022 #19 Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:38 AM

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It is MM that s*cks and if i can say money making also s*cks. We had 3-4 years ago topic about cr making of premiums and general opinion that it was not like at start like 5-6 years ago. Now it is even worse with MM and insane armor values that eliminates most T8 prems from good cr making because of low pen low alpha guns. Today WITH 48% bonuses and stuff i feel that WAS and should be T8 cr making potential. So i think T8 prems mostly s*ck because bad mm and almost 50% cr making nerf via direct or indirect in game changes to MM and vehicles.

I use mostly Scorpion G and Lorraine for credit making and now Lowe after buff cause they have good PEN and that makes CR and sometimes some "special mm" tanks like Type59 or FCM but they are heavy powercreaped.

Just my 2.cents on topic.


Edited by Dex022, 09 January 2018 - 05:08 PM.


thiextar #20 Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:15 PM

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T8 matchmaking and platoon matchmaking are completely broken, í hope wg fixes both.




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