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The_Georgian_One #1 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:08 AM

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Thanks to the weekend special and, 48% atmosphere bonus and personal reserves I was able to power-grind 50 120 and bought 50B yesterday.

 

I knew 50-120 is considered one of the worst tier 9s and the grind was indeed painful. Not only the tank is somewhat bad - large silhouette, paper armor, trollish gun, etc, but it regularly gets screwed by current matchmaking. In fact it suffers most when top tier, as it usually means you're the only top tier heavy and the enemy gets Conqueror, M4 or even Type 4. Because you have to play this POS like a little c#nt you often have to give up key positions, which means that whenever enemy top tiers have half of working brain they will just push and plow through their flank easily.

 

TLDR: 50 120 is screwed in so many aspects I don't know how I ended up with 51,5% WR in it when the grind was finished.

 

Now I was hoping 50B is so much better that I will be able to effectively use it, even in the current armor meta. But it seems to suffer from the same problems as 50 120 (minus the tank flaws). Sure, you can do early damage at an expense of your HP, but it's difficult to carry from there. Very few enemies have any respect for you. Tier 8 heavies will shamelessly push you if allowed. And you need to make sure you pen your shots, so load gold or go home, cause armor, armor everywhere. As a bonus - you nearly always have undivided attention of enemy arty when in 50B, which I was somehow able to avoid in 50 120.

 

So is 50B only viable in organized gameplay? I don't play clan wars, do people even use it now or is it 14/15 Type 5s and a Batchat? I had a really nice game yesterday where a teammate supported me and we were able to carry the game together. The SQ player actually shielded me when I was reloading and got rushed by 50M and he went into the cap on Ensk encounter to work as a bait for the last enemy, as I was 1-shot. In this specific scenario the tank works wonders and I was able to do 6k damage. How often can you expect something like this in randoms?

 

By the way, battle is here:

http://wotreplays.eu...an_one-amx_50_b

Kudos to the player in SQ, I was impressed with how this random cooperation worked out.


Edited by The_Georgian_One, 09 January 2018 - 09:09 AM.


ValkyrionX #2 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:26 AM

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the amx 50b is a very good tier X , good clip dmg and accuracy..great mobility..what you want more? the 50 120 at the same level is stronger and easier to play because you go against tier 7 and 8, has less mobility and longer charging .. but it is a strong tank ... and if I say that with the autoloader in general I suck .. I would have quietly made 3 marks at tier 9 if I kept playing without buying the 50b

certainly if you play it like a t57 you will get beaten by everyone .. broken up .. and help your heavy tanks or help your meds and play as a profiteer .. never face type 4 or type 5 as if they penetrate you make you 1400 of damage .. I think it's all



adameitas #3 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:43 AM

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well if full gold loaded it is till quite good. Otherwise it just got old. t57 and karvagen both are more interesting bc have big strengths. Personally i consider 50b pointless in general like 121. both of them are simply overshined by another same country line t10 tanks. What is the point to play 50b if you have bat chat? Same is with 121 bc 113 simply doest everything same and in many cases even better. Also we had similar situation with m48 and e5 several years ago. All in all 50b time passed. When he was the only t10 heavy tank auto loader he had his place but now it is just another t10 for collection not for playing.

Geno1isme #4 Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:50 AM

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The tank is still good, just the idiotic template MM screws it over.

The_Georgian_One #5 Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:12 AM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 09 January 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

the amx 50b is a very good tier X , good clip dmg and accuracy..great mobility..what you want more? the 50 120 at the same level is stronger and easier to play because you go against tier 7 and 8, has less mobility and longer charging .. but it is a strong tank ... and if I say that with the autoloader in general I suck .. I would have quietly made 3 marks at tier 9 if I kept playing without buying the 50b

certainly if you play it like a t57 you will get beaten by everyone .. broken up .. and help your heavy tanks or help your meds and play as a profiteer .. never face type 4 or type 5 as if they penetrate you make you 1400 of damage .. I think it's all

 

I'm not saying it's a bad tank. I love gun handling, I really like the mobility too. I'm saying that, due to the new mm template, maps and recent influx of armor and derp guns it got screwed. Both Kranvagn and T57 fit current meta better (for different reasons). I have a stable 54% WR in T57. I had 62% WR in Emil 2 compared to 51% of 50 120.

 

And don't take me wrong, I like mobile paper tanks autoloaders. I do well in Lorraine, I do well in French lights. I loved 50 100. The thing is - when you play them you know you're an underdog early on and you play like an underdog (most of the time).

 

When you're top tier in 50B you're not allowed to play like an underdog, cause it will reduce your team's chances of winning. Finally, you have to have a team to support, which doesn't happen very often...

 

Or am I missing something?


Edited by The_Georgian_One, 09 January 2018 - 10:12 AM.


Kolmiopaavo #6 Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:22 AM

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This is just Imo, but 50B is pretty badly out of meta, Id say mainly due to the new MM. You cant really play visiongames against full tier 10 lineups and trading well against tier 10s is much harder than against 9s and 8s. Sure in a good map and matchup 50B is really nice, but Id like to highlight that good matchup. 50B is an oppoturnist afterall, and there are far less of those nice oppoturnities in full tier 10 games to take advantage from.


Edited by Kolmiopaavo, 09 January 2018 - 10:23 AM.


The_Georgian_One #7 Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:28 AM

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View PostKolmiopaavo, on 09 January 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

This is just Imo, but 50B is pretty badly out of meta, Id say mainly due to the new MM. You cant really play visiongames against full tier 10 lineups and trading well against tier 10s is much harder than against 9s and 8s. Sure in a good map and matchup 50B is really nice, but Id like to highlight that good matchup. 50B is an oppoturnist afterall, and there are far less of those nice oppoturnities in full tier 10 games to take advantage from.

Agree. And there are other opporrunist tanks that fit this meta better. TVP and BC to name just 2. I will give 50B a chance, but it may soon fall out of favor. 



Shizuthink #8 Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:59 AM

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50B still feels really strong for me but maybe it's just me.

TheDrownedApe #9 Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:41 PM

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I've played 2 in it today and those highlight it good/bad points

 

1st tundra 3x10, 3x9 rest 8. awesome, wrecked everything and sniped, spotted from the hill before rolling in to clear up

 

2nd himmelsdorf TX game. heavies, TD and meds. i stuggle to get my clip off being forced to take single shots and running due to multiple lines of fire. hard to have an impact and end up getting inside a medium sandwich, not fun at all.

 

I do like it however and still prefer it over the T57 (which i suck in)

 

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just took it out again (trying to complete the 260 mission with honours) and it does work well...but in multiple MM fights mainly, which would suggest it is UP at tier 10

 


Edited by Dr_ownape, 09 January 2018 - 01:00 PM.


TheDrownedApe #10 Posted 09 January 2018 - 03:07 PM

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just tried the T57 and i know why i don't like it...HEAT :(

 

entire clip didn't pen on the side of a type 4(loaded HEAT for PZ 7 btw) - 50B would of penned every one



Thejagdpanther #11 Posted 09 January 2018 - 03:17 PM

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The "clan war meta" could screw up a lot of tanks... 50b included.
For what i see, as an adversary-ally, if top tier (3-5-7) is more than ok like problably 99% like every tier 10, middle tier (5-10) depend on situation and map it could do very well or just okish, monotier 15-15 is where the trouble starts.




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