Jump to content


How do binos combine with optics?


  • Please log in to reply
57 replies to this topic

brumbarr #1 Posted 09 January 2018 - 06:36 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 38626 battles
  • 6,326
  • Member since:
    07-30-2012

I am close to researching the T100 and I set myself a challenge to get the highest avg assist on the server and go all in for spotting dmg just out of interest  and as a challenge. 

 

I was thinking what setup to run, I had in mind: optics, vents and rammer, but then I thought I better go all in and replace rammer with binos if I want to maximize assist. When testing what VR I would get I came across a contradiction in diferent sites.

 

When you go on :

http://www.wotinfo.n...camo-calculator

And you mount optics, and then binos, the improvement of binos and optics dont add up, onyl the biggest one counts. 

So 400 base VR with optics would be 440, with binos 500 and with both still 500.

 

Go an tanks.gg and do the same, you get  440 with optics, 500 with binos, and 550 with both.

 

SO my question is what actually happens in game? do they stack or does the biggest bonus count?

Its quite important, if they dont combine I dont think binos or worth dropping the rammer for, if they do I will, since then I get  like 630m VR when I sit still.

 

Anyone knows? I would test myself but cant atm. DOnt have wot installed  atm.



SuedKAT #2 Posted 09 January 2018 - 06:49 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 12154 battles
  • 6,284
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    08-21-2014

From the wiki on Optics:

+10% View Range.

The bonus is applied at all times except when Binoculars are active, making this equipment better suited for aggressive and scouting players. Recommended for aggressive medium and light tanks, especially at high tiers.

 

Binos:

+25% View Range when tank hull is stationary for 3 seconds.
Recommended for Tank Destroyers and passive scouts.

 

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Equipment

 

So no they don't stack, but if your going for maximizing assist I guess both can still be an option, sitting in the bush on Proko with binos on for a while and then going active scouting with the optics in effect can results in some nice assist. Personally though I mainly do the active scouting so I just go for optics and then stuff to maximize my own fire power to be able to deal with enemy LT's.

 


Edited by SuedKAT, 09 January 2018 - 06:50 PM.


brumbarr #3 Posted 09 January 2018 - 06:56 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 38626 battles
  • 6,326
  • Member since:
    07-30-2012

View PostSuedKAT, on 09 January 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

From the wiki on Optics:

+10% View Range.

The bonus is applied at all times except when Binoculars are active, making this equipment better suited for aggressive and scouting players. Recommended for aggressive medium and light tanks, especially at high tiers.

 

Binos:

+25% View Range when tank hull is stationary for 3 seconds.
Recommended for Tank Destroyers and passive scouts.

 

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Equipment

 

So no they don't stack, but if your going for maximizing assist I guess both can still be an option, sitting in the bush on Proko with binos on for a while and then going active scouting with the optics in effect can results in some nice assist. Personally though I mainly do the active scouting so I just go for optics and then stuff to maximize my own fire power to be able to deal with enemy LT's.

 

 

hmm, I remember doing some testing  a long time ago and came to a different conclusion, the wiki has been wrong before.

 

Can someone do this test:

 

Take a tank with binos only. Sit still, let another tank ( with decent camo) drive slowly towards you. Note the distance when you spot him.

Now mount optics and binos, do the same test. Note down the distance.   

If the distance is bigger in the second test, they stack, if they are the same in both tests, they dotn stack.



Homer_J #4 Posted 09 January 2018 - 06:59 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Beta Tester
  • 27652 battles
  • 29,000
  • [WJDE] WJDE
  • Member since:
    09-03-2010

View Postbrumbarr, on 09 January 2018 - 05:56 PM, said:

 

hmm, I remember doing some testing  a long time ago and came to a different conclusion, the wiki has been wrong before.

 

Isn't the description in game that they do not stack?

 

Whatever, they don't.



AliceUnchained #5 Posted 09 January 2018 - 06:59 PM

    General

  • Player
  • 38126 battles
  • 8,783
  • [322] 322
  • Member since:
    10-18-2011

I've done extensive testing in the past, and most definitely they do NOT stack. 

 

Edit: As for doing your proposed test, just like you we'd need a sparring partner...


Edited by AliceUnchained, 09 January 2018 - 07:00 PM.


SuedKAT #6 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:00 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 12154 battles
  • 6,284
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    08-21-2014

View Postbrumbarr, on 09 January 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

 

hmm, I remember doing some testing  a long time ago and came to a different conclusion, the wiki has been wrong before.

 

Can someone do this test:

 

Take a tank with binos only. Sit still, let another tank ( with decent camo) drive slowly towards you. Note the distance when you spot him.

Now mount optics and binos, do the same test. Note down the distance.   

If the distance is bigger in the second test, they stack, if they are the same in both tests, they dotn stack.

 

Yeah the wiki ain't especially reliable, that's true, but for this I think it's correct, I recall hearing that optics and binos don't stack plenty of times in the past. However an actual test would be nice, I'm up for it if anyone wants to go into a training room with me, but you'll have to bring the binos, got none my self at the moment.

Uebergewicht #7 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:01 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 11702 battles
  • 1,035
  • [ATD] ATD
  • Member since:
    11-15-2015
It would be kinda strange if they did. Does your tank commander grab his hand-held binoculars and holds them before the optics? That sounds impractical.

AliceUnchained #8 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:02 PM

    General

  • Player
  • 38126 battles
  • 8,783
  • [322] 322
  • Member since:
    10-18-2011

View PostSuedKAT, on 09 January 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

 

Yeah the wiki ain't especially reliable, that's true, but for this I think it's correct, I recall hearing that optics and binos don't stack plenty of times in the past. However an actual test would be nice, I'm up for it if anyone wants to go into a training room with me, but you'll have to bring the binos, got none my self at the moment.

 

Alright, let's do this. I always used Optics and Binocs on my M18 Hellkitty. Might as well dust her off and take her for a spin.

SuedKAT #9 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:03 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 12154 battles
  • 6,284
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    08-21-2014

View PostAliceUnchained, on 09 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

 

Alright, let's do this. I always used Optics and Binocs on my M18 Hellkitty. Might as well dust her off and take her for a spin.

 

Oki, I'll be online in a sec, invite _Kek

Vanezza #10 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:03 PM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 38403 battles
  • 360
  • Member since:
    03-06-2012
binos is pointless. T100 basic wr is 390 u cant spot nothing, same story like amx line

Edited by Vanezza, 09 January 2018 - 07:03 PM.


Kartoshkaya #11 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:14 PM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 23371 battles
  • 335
  • Member since:
    01-01-2015

View PostUebergewicht, on 09 January 2018 - 07:01 PM, said:

It would be kinda strange if they did. Does your tank commander grab his hand-held binoculars and holds them before the optics? That sounds impractical.

 

Yes, because it's realistic the vent increase the view range of the commander and the camo of the vehicle. It's an arcade game.

SuedKAT #12 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:38 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 12154 battles
  • 6,284
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    08-21-2014
We ran into all kinds of bugs, chat went down, my name changed to "Player 1043", all to honor WoT the bug free product, but after some testing we found out that no, optics and binos do not stack. AliceUnchained will most likely post the raw numbers in a little while, I'm of to get some coffee my self!

AliceUnchained #13 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:39 PM

    General

  • Player
  • 38126 battles
  • 8,783
  • [322] 322
  • Member since:
    10-18-2011

View PostVanezza, on 09 January 2018 - 07:03 PM, said:

binos is pointless. T100 basic wr is 390 u cant spot nothing, same story like amx line

 

And with Binoculars that 390 meter view range would be increased to 487,5 meters.... Magic.

 

View PostSuedKAT, on 09 January 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

We ran into all kinds of bugs, chat went down, my name changed to "Player 1043", all to honor WoT the bug free product, but after some testing we found out that no, optics and binos do not stack. AliceUnchained will most likely post the raw numbers in a little while, I'm of to get some coffee my self!

 

Oh fine, lazy bum.

 

Test vehicles used: M36 Slugger (Player 1043), M18 Hellcat (me). With Optics and Binoculars I was able to spot the stationary M36 at 300 meters (camouflage net + paint), while being stationary as well (Recon and Sit. Awareness as crew skills @ 100%). While moving, I was able to spot the stationary M36 at 268 meters.

 

With only Binoculars equipped, ranges were 300 meters and 245 meters resp. I suppose we could have checked for a moving M36 as well, but given the fact there was no difference both stationary, seemed redundant. 

 

Oh and Brumm, you owe me 10 G. :P And 20 G if you want us to repeat the test with a moving Slugger.

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 09 January 2018 - 07:46 PM.


dimethylcadmium #14 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:42 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 5401 battles
  • 770
  • [WGL-A] WGL-A
  • Member since:
    11-24-2017
whats the camo% on t100-lt with camo crew? around 50? more?

Orkbert #15 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:45 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 25179 battles
  • 1,589
  • Member since:
    08-29-2013

View Postbrumbarr, on 09 January 2018 - 06:36 PM, said:

 

 

SO my question is what actually happens in game? do they stack or does the biggest bonus count?

 

Member since Summer 2012

36k battles

Has triple marked a tier VIII light.

 

I'm not sure what to make of the question.



AliceUnchained #16 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:48 PM

    General

  • Player
  • 38126 battles
  • 8,783
  • [322] 322
  • Member since:
    10-18-2011

View PostOrkbert, on 09 January 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

Member since Summer 2012

36k battles

Has triple marked a tier VIII light.

 

I'm not sure what to make of the question.

 

It is obviously someone who has never used Binoculars and Optics at the same time before, and is somewhat mistrustful of the Wiki. Did you know the bonus for Sit. Awareness differs (slightly) between Commander and Radio Operator?

Bennie182 #17 Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:57 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 51456 battles
  • 1,253
  • [WGL-A] WGL-A
  • Member since:
    03-13-2012
makes no sense to combine them. the only use of it, is that your view range will be higher when stationary, because of (only!) binocs.

_T_1_T_4_N_0_ #18 Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:06 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 28985 battles
  • 1,114
  • [SQCI] SQCI
  • Member since:
    02-17-2015
Prob should stack but not at full bonus level as taking both optics & binnocs is a hit to bonuses from other equipment choice.
Optics / binnocs should be a more valid scouting combination maybe 5% on the binnocs stack.
Brings incentive and more relevance to light pure scouting roles as a matter of equipment choice.

Also as a scout view mobile / view immobile is still a choice with optics / binnocs but the above buff could prob make it relevant as the equipment loss slot is a hit but can still be valid.
When I am doing the light missions I always run optics / binnocs / net and wait for those maps that make those missions quite easy.  

Edited by DumbNumpty, 09 January 2018 - 08:11 PM.


brumbarr #19 Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:11 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 38626 battles
  • 6,326
  • Member since:
    07-30-2012

View Postdimethylcadmium, on 09 January 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

whats the camo% on t100-lt with camo crew? around 50? more?

 

The max out camo you can get from it is 42%.

brumbarr #20 Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:12 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 38626 battles
  • 6,326
  • Member since:
    07-30-2012

View PostOrkbert, on 09 January 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

 

Member since Summer 2012

36k battles

Has triple marked a tier VIII light.

 

I'm not sure what to make of the question.

 

I never used binos in combination with optics, and the wiki is the only place to look it up, and that is wrong on some stuff aswell.  

So seems like a legit question to me.

 

The wiki is still wrong on the aiming time, it says its the time it takes to decrease by 66%, while in game it says 60%.


Edited by brumbarr, 09 January 2018 - 08:17 PM.





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users