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HonzaM #1 Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:19 PM

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All tanks one side. WHY? Any idea? I don´t think that is good tactic.

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View PostHonzaM, on 10 January 2018 - 08:19 PM, said:

All tanks one side. WHY? Any idea? I don´t think that is good tactic.

 

Its actually a rather well documented and simple military strategy both in game and in life. More guns and HP vs less = win. As long as they push...

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The lemming train implies they all go one side so the thread title is meh. Also it's been around for years and is, in some cases a viable tactic. 

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Depends on the map. Nothing new, though, happens since the game started.

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View PostMrGimpSuit, on 10 January 2018 - 08:21 PM, said:

The lemming train implies they all go one side so the thread title is meh. Also it's been around for years and is, in some cases a viable tactic. 

 

On RU server the lemming train just goes forwards from spawns.. a,d keys dont seem to be a  thing there. true story.

HillBill79 #6 Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:29 PM

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View PostHonzaM, on 10 January 2018 - 07:19 PM, said:

All tanks one side. WHY? Any idea? I don´t think that is good tactic.

 

It can be. 

 

Depends on map and game mode though. The assault mode on Erlenberg is a good example. North spawn (defense) always go east... attackers always go west. Camp off, defenders normally win. Going west is suicide. 

 

Other maps/modes.. it happens. Strength in numbers and all that. The lower skilled/lower tiered players, tend to follow the higher skilled/ higher tier players ( not always, but often) If better players know where to go, why not follow them... backwards logic a lot of the time though depending on tank composition



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View PostHonzaM, on 10 January 2018 - 07:19 PM, said:

All tanks one side. WHY? Any idea? I don´t think that is good tactic.

 

 

Logic would say for the team to cover the flanks. But reason would say if the whole team goes one way don't try to cover a flank on your own or in a depleted number. Why a team all goes one way is a baffling thing to work out, but if you look at the stats after the game you may find it is because low win rate players find safety among themselves. 


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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 10 January 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:

 

On RU server the lemming train just goes forwards from spawns.. a,d keys dont seem to be a  thing there. true story.

 

I've always wanted to try other servers to see how they play. The Chinese server looks rediclous but then again having just one account gives me seizures so best I dont.



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View PostHillBill79, on 10 January 2018 - 08:29 PM, said:

Depends on map and game mode though. The assault mode on Erlenberg is a good example. North spawn (defense) always go east... attackers always go west. Camp off, defenders normally win. Going west is suicide. 

I hate that this now have become the meta for Standard Mode as well, to me it used to be a rather fun map, but now it's just two teams sitting on each side staring at each others and the ones that dare cross a bridge is crushed into oblivion. Even worse are those times when that special map clicker and friends thinks it's a good idea to go to the "wrong" side, obviously they get slaughtered pretty fast and now your team is a severe disadvantage for no reason what so ever.



vasilinhorulezz #10 Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:04 PM

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How long do you play this game, since 2011? Hmm...

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View PostHonzaM, on 10 January 2018 - 07:19 PM, said:

All tanks one side. WHY? Any idea? I don´t think that is good tactic.

 

When your team wins then it is a good tactic. Strength in numbers etc.

 

However, many times the lemmings quite enjoy steaming towards the enemy cap excited about no opposition and failing to realise why there's no enemy. Because the enemy team are doing the exact same and then losing anyway.



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View PostBordhaw, on 10 January 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

 

When your team wins then it is a good tactic. Strength in numbers etc.

 

However, many times the lemmings quite enjoy steaming towards the enemy cap excited about no opposition and failing to realise why there's no enemy. Because the enemy team are doing the exact same and then losing anyway.

 

so then .. the best tactic against a lemmingtrain is a lemmingtrain?

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View PostHonzaM, on 10 January 2018 - 08:19 PM, said:

All tanks one side. WHY? Any idea? I don´t think that is good tactic.

 

It is a perfectly viable tactic, if the tanks actually push instead of just stop when meeting the first enemy.

cragarion #14 Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:54 AM

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View PostHonzaM, on 10 January 2018 - 08:19 PM, said:

All tanks one side. WHY? Any idea? I don´t think that is good tactic.

 

This has been a FAIL tactic that bleeping bleep bleeping bleep noobs have been using for 7 years,

it's FAILED 99% of the time for 7 years,

but the bleep bleep bleep bleeping bleeping noobs keep trying it,

 

they use the excuse that it's a great tactic that you out number and out gun the enemy swarming them under then turn back and wipe out the other side, yeh great in theory,

HOWEVER this is not theory this is World of Tanks full of Bleep bleep bleeping noobs,

 

so in 99% of lemming trains they stop the second they see the first enemy tank,

the 13 tanks that lemming trained get wiped out by 6 enemy tanks,

while the 2 that did not lemming train manage to hold of and kill some of the other 9 enemy tanks,

until the 6 enemy that wiped out the other 13 who lemming trained flank you and wipe you out,

 

that's how lemming trains have FAILED for the last 7 years and that's how lemming trains will always FAIL,

 

the truly sad thing is when it works that 1 in 1,000 battles it encourages them to try again for the other 999 FAILS

 

 

There are proven tactics on each map that WORK 80% of the time,

yet the noobs in wot for some insane reason keep trying the tactics on each map that FAIL 99% of the time,

and then they wonder why they always lose.


Edited by cragarion, 11 January 2018 - 10:59 AM.


hson_hson #15 Posted 11 January 2018 - 12:09 PM

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 10 January 2018 - 08:21 PM, said:

 

Its actually a rather well documented and simple military strategy both in game and in life. More guns and HP vs less = win. As long as they push...

 

View PostTankkiPoju, on 11 January 2018 - 07:25 AM, said:

 

It is a perfectly viable tactic, if the tanks actually push instead of just stop when meeting the first enemy.

 

If the lemming train is pushing at the same speed...

Many times the fastest push first, get wiped out, then the slower and that just leaves the slowest ones alone vs 2 times stronger force...

 

Even worse than a regular lemming train is the lemming train going to a useless spot.

I've lost count of the times I've had to endure a lemming train through the valley on Lakeville encounter and got capped out just because it takes too long to push that way...


Edited by hson_hson, 11 January 2018 - 12:13 PM.


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View PostBordhaw, on 10 January 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

 

When your team wins then it is a good tactic. Strength in numbers etc.

 

However, many times the lemmings quite enjoy steaming towards the enemy cap excited about no opposition and failing to realise why there's no enemy. Because the enemy team are doing the exact same and then losing anyway.

And then opposite lemmingtrain win.

 

So lemmingtrain won in your example.



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View PostHonzaM, on 10 January 2018 - 07:19 PM, said:

All tanks one side. WHY? Any idea? I don´t think that is good tactic.

 

Actually tank concentration is a tactic promoted by Heinz Guderian and effectively used by germans.



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View Postresheph73, on 11 January 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

 

Actually tank concentration is a tactic promoted by Heinz Guderian and effectively used by germans.

 

this is a game not real life,

and we are dealing with bleeping bleep noobs who stop and hide the second they see a tier 8 scout even thought they have 12 tier 10s behind them, not trained soldiers.

 

 

 



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View PostBordhaw, on 10 January 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

 

When your team wins then it is a good tactic. Strength in numbers etc.

 

However, many times the lemmings quite enjoy steaming towards the enemy cap excited about no opposition and failing to realise why there's no enemy. Because the enemy team are doing the exact same and then losing anyway.

 

Or they encounter a couple enemy tanks in good defensive positions, take a loss or two, and exclaim 'The enemy are fighting back! We have to also take defensive positions!' Then the train stalls, and founds the city of Lemminggrad, which promptly gets besieged and usually eventually gets conquered, not having a large mostly unconquered nation reinforcing it.... :arta:

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View Postresheph73, on 11 January 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

 

Actually tank concentration is a tactic promoted by Heinz Guderian and effectively used by germans.

 

View Postcragarion, on 11 January 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

 

this is a game not real life,

and we are dealing with bleeping bleep noobs who stop and hide the second they see a tier 8 scout even thought they have 12 tier 10s behind them, not trained soldiers.

 

 

 

 

Or more specifically, one of the major problems of the French Army, specifically a lack of good communications.




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