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pecopad #1 Posted 11 January 2018 - 06:35 PM

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Yes, just looking at the stats on the obj 430U and it looks worst than the T54.

 

2700 DPM on a tier 9 med tank. Losing 500 DPM....for what?

 

I own a 430 and I want to keep it like it is. I don't even mind not getting this turd tank..

 

Weak spots on cupolas render any armour inefective. 

 

 



Dava_117 #2 Posted 11 January 2018 - 06:39 PM

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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

Yes, just looking at the stats on the obj 430U and it looks worst than the T54.

 

2700 DPM on a tier 9 med tank. Losing 500 DPM....for what?

 

I own a 430 and I want to keep it like it is. I don't even mind not getting this turd tank..

 

Weak spots on cupolas render any armour inefective. 

 

 

 

430U is the new tier X, not 9. And it has 440 alpha, 300+effective UFP, 330+turret armour while being mobile as a med... I wouldn't say is bad. I would say it may be even too strong.

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New tanks stats usually only shows one gun. We don't know what his other guns look like yet.  And  T-54 don't have a 440 alpha gun does he?

 

That and those stats are with 100% base crew with no skills or equipment. T-54 has two guns. The brawling gun with bad dispersion has.. 2705 dpm. The sniper gun with more pen and better dispersion has 2300. The brawling gun with 100% base crew does not have 3200 dpm on the T-54. So comparing your T-54 with crews and equipment vs one without is... pointless.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 11 January 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

New tanks stats usually only shows one gun. We don't know what his other guns look like yet.  And  T-54 don't have a 440 alpha gun does he?

 

That and those stats are with 100% base crew with no skills or equipment. T-54 has two guns. The brawling gun with bad dispersion has.. 2705 dpm. The sniper gun with more pen and better dispersion has 2300. The brawling gun with 100% base crew does not have 3200 dpm on the T-54. So comparing your T-54 with crews and equipment vs one without is... pointless.

 

I'm talking about the 430 U tier X which has the same DPm has the t54...

 

Don't even want to think what they are going to do to the 430 tier IX....



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View PostDava_117, on 11 January 2018 - 06:39 PM, said:

 

430U is the new tier X, not 9. And it has 440 alpha, 300+effective UFP, 330+turret armour while being mobile as a med... I wouldn't say is bad. I would say it may be even too strong.

 

A tank with 2700 DPm that replaces other with 3200, and its not BAD?

 

Worst dispersion, same -5 depression....

 

Worst mobility....

 

This is a robbery for the owners of the 430...


Edited by pecopad, 11 January 2018 - 06:55 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

 

A tank with 2700 DPm that replaces other with 3200, and its not BAD?

 

Worst dispersion, same -5 depression....

 

 

This is a robbery for the owners of the 430...

 

It has more alpha. Bigger caliber for over matching. And you want to keep it at 3K dpm?

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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

 

A tank with 2700 DPm that replaces other with 3200, and its not BAD?

 

Worst dispersion, same -5 depression....

 

 

This is a robbery for the owners of the 430...

 

I would be more really happy to leave 430 in tier 10 and simply delete this nonsense thank that is 430U. Because the last one is far better, may even be badly OP!

pecopad #8 Posted 11 January 2018 - 06:58 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 11 January 2018 - 06:53 PM, said:

 

It has more alpha. Bigger caliber for over matching. And you want to keep it at 3K dpm?

 

I don't get your problem.... nor the logic...

 

430 is not OP, 430 has a cupola problem and the gun is crap. Overall armor of the tank is one of the best...

 

So where is the buff... in alpha... what do I care about alpha in a med... I care about DPM and mobility.


Edited by pecopad, 11 January 2018 - 07:00 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

Weak spots on cupolas render any armour inefective. 

At least check them first before you start spouting crap like that:

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omg muh cupolas, so weak WG pls buff



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View Postfishbob101, on 11 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

At least check them first before you start spouting crap like that:

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omg muh cupolas, so weak WG pls buff

 

This is a tier 10 tank, turret will be overmatched by the heavies, like the 430, and the cupolas will be penned by all firing gold.

 

Have you looked at the 430 turret?

 

And you lose the ability to sidescrape with this turd...

 

If they want to change the line, just make the 430 a premium and upgrade the 430 vII to tier X...


Edited by pecopad, 11 January 2018 - 07:12 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

This is a tier 10 tank, turret will be overmatched by the heavies, like the 430, and the cupolas will be penned by all firing gold.

 

Have you looked at the 430 turret?

 

And you lose the ability to sidescrape with this turd...

 

no it wont be overmatched, and yes the cupolas will get penned by shooting gold, wtf do you expect, they are weakspots  after all, and they arent even weak, the turret is way better than the 430.

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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

This is a tier 10 tank, turret will be overmatched by the heavies, like the 430, and the cupolas will be penned by all firing gold.

Yeah, they're totally gonna overmatch that 55mm turret roof, 'cause tier X is infested with 166mm armed heavies.

 

View Postbrumbarr, on 11 January 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

 

no it wont be overmatched, and yes the cupolas will get penned by shooting gold, wtf do you expect, they are weakspots  after all, and they arent even weak, the turret is way better than the 430.

Can it even be called a weakspot if you need gold to pen them? The turret front next to the gun is arguably more of a "weakspot" as its only 300mm

"hello and welcome to WoT 2018, where you need 340 HEAT to pen the cupolas on a f*cking medium"


Edited by fishbob101, 11 January 2018 - 07:14 PM.


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View Postfishbob101, on 11 January 2018 - 07:11 PM, said:

Yeah, they're totally gonna overmatch that 55mm turret roof, 'cause tier X is infested with 166mm armed heavies.

 

Can it even be called a weakspot if you need gold to pen them? The turret front next to the gun is arguably more of a "weakspot" as its only 300mm

"hello and welcome to WoT 2018, where you need 340 HEAT to pen the cupolas on a f*cking medium"

 

Its an upgrade from 35 to 55 mm, still retains the 35 mm on the back of the turret... major BUFF.... lets take 500 DPM decrease mobility and make the gun even worst...

 

Obj t62A has 95mm on the turret, and obj 140 76 mm

 

JPZ  E100 and the FVs will overmatch it,by the way

 

OP tank....

 

 


Edited by pecopad, 11 January 2018 - 07:34 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 07:26 PM, said:

 

Its an upgrade from 35 to 55 mm, still retains the 35 mm on the back of the turret... major BUFF.... lets take 500 DPM decrease mobility and make the gun even worst...

 

OP tank....

 

 

Oh you mean that part thats sloped backed so is impossible to hit from the front?

Are you trolling or are you genuinely this stupid?



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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 07:26 PM, said:

 

Its an upgrade from 35 to 55 mm, still retains the 35 mm on the back of the turret... major BUFF.... lets take 500 DPM decrease mobility and make the gun even worst...

 

OP tank....

 

 

So you can overmatch the back of the turret. Such a problem.

 

the 430U is just superior.


Edited by ZlatanArKung, 11 January 2018 - 07:33 PM.


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View PostZlatanArKung, on 11 January 2018 - 07:32 PM, said:

So you can overmatch the back of the turret. Such a problem.

 

the 430U is just superior.

 

Superior to what, 430 U will be the worst tier x med tank...

 

And it will be overmatched by the FV's and JPZE100... 

 

Can't believe the absurd discussion...  This tank serves no purpose, you are not going to hull down on tier 10 with a med, you can't play ridges because of the -5 depression, you cannot sidescrape because of the shoulders. You will lose mobility, DPM...

 

Yes, it will be OP against tier 8 tanks, but all tier X meds are


Edited by pecopad, 11 January 2018 - 07:42 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 07:37 PM, said:

 

Superior to what, 430 U will be the worst tier x med tank...

 

And it will be overmatched by the FV's and JPZE100... 

 

The fist one will surely shot HESH, because hus AP with such a dispersion, won't hit you.

The second one will instead probably load HEAT, fir similar reason tho...



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You guys are overreacting..wait for the test server then the live. I am sure things won't stay the same if the tank is completely broken.

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View Postpecopad, on 11 January 2018 - 06:37 PM, said:

 

Superior to what, 430 U will be the worst tier x med tank...

 

And it will be overmatched by the FV's and JPZE100... 

 

430U actually looks kinda OP to me, 440 alpha and armor like a heavy combined with a medium mobility and gun stabilisation sounds damn fine to me.

If the gun has good stabilisation and soft-stats this tank will be very good.

 

About the armor: bro, you are really stupid or you are just trolling? This tank has more armor than many heavy tanks... And it has no weakspots.



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View PostIulian_ro, on 11 January 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

 

430U actually looks kinda OP to me, 440 alpha and armor like a heavy combined with a medium mobility and gun stabilisation sounds damn fine to me.

If the gun has good stabilisation and soft-stats this tank will be very good.

 

About the armor: bro, you are really stupid or you are just trolling? This tank has more armor than many heavy tanks... And it has no weakspots.

 

Do you own a 430?




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