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Slind #1 Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:34 AM

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Two T29s as top tier, from the most loved country in Europe, both with 45% winrate after 13k battles because WoT is so hard game to learn, camp in the base until it's 0-5 on Murovanka, then drive to the forrest and sit there until it's 4-15. Why are they allowed to join battles, be top tier and platoon? They didn't play at all. Totally AFK and if they were AFK in the base, they would be some use to us. I mean why are they in the battle? They are not in the battle to attack, they are not in the battle to defend, they are not in the battle to shoot anyone and they are not in the battle to spot anyone. How is this sportsmanlike conduct? They are refusing to do anything by camping where they are useless. And it's not a single case, they do it in every battle or else their winrate would be higher.

 

So why are they not banned for being idle/bot? Why can't they be bottom tier since they obviously are not going to do anything, ever? 13 000 times camping like me on my first game but I learn because I might be an animal, I might even be a human and it means I can learn. But these two are something different.

 

I guess this is more a question of the match making. We need some sort of skill-based MM because when two out of three top tier tanks are like this, the game is over before it started. That's not in anybody's interests. I thought the game was supposed to be fun and competetive, but that means we need players on the team, or at least bots who idle in the base and might accidentally spot someone. No team needs these two, in top tier heavy tanks running where the enemy isn't. Lol they could have sniped in the base hull down and be usefull but that would require brains.



HugSeal #2 Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:41 AM

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View PostSlind, on 12 January 2018 - 12:34 AM, said:

So why are they not banned for being idle/bot?

 

Because according to you they are neither idle nor bots?

 

View PostSlind, on 12 January 2018 - 12:34 AM, said:

 How is this sportsmanlike conduct? 

 

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1500 games in the a32, 1400 games in the luchs, 1200 games in the pc1z, 740 in the tetrarch, 500+ in the t1 cunninhgam and so on. What was that about sportsmanlikee conduct? They are probably unaware that they ruin the game for others. You are well aware of it yet you still persist.


Edited by HugSeal, 12 January 2018 - 12:50 AM.


Slyspy #3 Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:43 AM

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It can be vexing, can't it? Oh, and you need to find a different pastime because this one is no good for you. 

Jigabachi #4 Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:45 AM

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I've seen bad players once, too.
We should start a support group where we can talk about our encounters with bad players and how they changed our lifes.

Lycopersicon #5 Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:21 AM

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I thought this one was permabanned.

250swb #6 Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:30 AM

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I had a similar experience, on Airfield a platoon of two low WR top tier VK.36 drove to our red line and sat there the whole battle hiding behind rocks. It is almost certain the enemy team had similar players on it, maybe disguising themselves by driving around a bit. But it shouldn't be a surprise, there are vastly more players below 49% than above it, ban them and you wouldn't have any easy stat padding targets.

jabster #7 Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:53 AM

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As always with the OP it’s worth checking out their WoT Replays to see where the real problem lies.

hson_hson #8 Posted 12 January 2018 - 07:13 AM

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View PostSlind, on 12 January 2018 - 12:34 AM, said:

I thought the game was supposed to be fun 

 

You do realize that your definition of fun might not be the same as someone else.



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View PostHugSeal, on 12 January 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

1500 games in the a32, 1400 games in the luchs, 1200 games in the pc1z, 740 in the tetrarch, 500+ in the t1 cunninhgam and so on. What was that about sportsmanlikee conduct? They are probably unaware that they ruin the game for others. You are well aware of it yet you still persist.

 

Come on man, the grind from tier 1 to tier 2 can take hundreds of games!

Balc0ra #10 Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:41 AM

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View PostSlind, on 12 January 2018 - 12:34 AM, said:

Two T29s as top tier, from the most loved country in Europe, both with 45% winrate after 13k battles because WoT is so hard game to learn, camp in the base until it's 0-5 on Murovanka, then drive to the forrest and sit there until it's 4-15. Why are they allowed to join battles, be top tier and platoon?  Lol they could have sniped in the base hull down and be usefull but that would require brains.

 

Same reason why the US has a president calling most nations A**holes and acting like a 6 year old. Because he is allowed run for it.

 

View PostSlind, on 12 January 2018 - 12:34 AM, said

So why are they not banned for being idle/bot? Why can't they be bottom tier since they obviously are not going to do anything, ever? 13 000 times camping like me on my first game but I learn because I might be an animal, I might even be a human and it means I can learn. But these two are something different

 

Most bots are banned because there is no input usually. Driving to a camping spot in base usually needs it. Nor are there any rules for camping base. As most bad players simply do that, wait for the damage to come to them. And for all you know they might be 8 year olds, or 75 year olds. Not everyone is as awesome as you with 40K battles under their belt.

 

View PostSlind, on 12 January 2018 - 12:34 AM, said:

I guess this is more a question of the match making. We need some sort of skill-based MM because when two out of three top tier tanks are like this, the game is over before it started. That's not in anybody's interests. I thought the game was supposed to be fun and competetive, but that means we need players on the team, or at least bots who idle in the base and might accidentally spot someone. No team needs these two, in top tier heavy tanks running where the enemy isn't. Lol they could have sniped in the base hull down and be usefull but that would require brains.

 

But that's not needed when you play lower tiers right. Is that fun and competitive when you roll over 0K players? Or? Then again we all know how well it worked for that other game. Skilled killed PVP there, as people could not keep 65% on their padding tanks anymore. And it went towards their overall WR instead. Random is just that, random. If not then keep on low tiers and wait for ranked next patch instead. For all we know, camping base and farming damage might be fun for those T29's.


Edited by Balc0ra, 12 January 2018 - 09:43 AM.


The_Georgian_One #11 Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:09 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 12 January 2018 - 12:45 AM, said:

I've seen bad players once, too.
We should start a support group where we can talk about our encounters with bad players and how they changed our lifes.

 

I recently had a platoon of two 43%s in tier 10 heavies in a 3-5-7 matchmaking. Somehow they didn't carry.

 

Sure, it's funny from time to time, but it happens way too frequently in high tiers nowadays. You probably don't care, but for me this is immensely frustrating. I've never asked for matchmaking that would take players skill into consideration, but I think WG should do better work educating players before they allowed to move up the tiers.



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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 12 January 2018 - 10:09 AM, said:

Sure, it's funny from time to time, but it happens way too frequently in high tiers nowadays. You probably don't care, but for me this is immensely frustrating. I've never asked for matchmaking that would take players skill into consideration, but I think WG should do better work educating players before they allowed to move up the tiers.

The horribly bad playerbase is one of the top3 problems in my book, so I DO care. But nonsensical threads like this one (especially when started by people like the OP) are just dumb and pointless.



Obsessive_Compulsive #13 Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:10 PM

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View PostHugSeal, on 12 January 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

 

Because according to you they are neither idle nor bots?

 

 

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1500 games in the a32, 1400 games in the luchs, 1200 games in the pc1z, 740 in the tetrarch, 500+ in the t1 cunninhgam and so on. What was that about sportsmanlikee conduct? They are probably unaware that they ruin the game for others. You are well aware of it yet you still persist.

 

the luchs has no place in your accusational finger waving. Remove it or I will blow my nose at you!

HugSeal #14 Posted 12 January 2018 - 07:15 PM

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 12 January 2018 - 12:10 PM, said:

 

the luchs has no place in your accusational finger waving. Remove it or I will blow my nose at you!

 

Sure it has, it is one silly little machine. Especially with it essentially getting downtiered with no changes to it. It is also hilarious to drive which is the reason I have so many games in it, but I don't pretend that it's sportsmanlike to stomp newbies in it ;-)

 

No need to blow your nose at me though, I've got a cold so I blow more noses than anyone really should at the moment :-P


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SastusBulbas #15 Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:14 PM

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I think 43% players have as much right as 67% players in this game. Can't all be awesome, or even keep the performance up, old age is catching up with me. Used to be able to play WoT and spend "quality" time her indoors, now I underperform in tanks and it leaves me too emotionally drained to service other requirements and I have no brussel sprouts or salted caramel popcorn :confused:

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View PostSastusBulbas, on 12 January 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

I think 43% players have as much right as 67% players in this game. Can't all be awesome, or even keep the performance up, (...)

 

'43% players' is likely mostly a simplification of players that don't even try to play - or alternatively messes actively with the team. There's already a big difference between a bad player that supports his teammates (worst-case does a shot's worth of damage, holds up enemy tanks and acts like a meatshield) and the IS-7 who defends artillery on El Halluf.

 

Part of the problem stems from the brilliant 3-5-7 scheme too. If you get one effectively AFK top-tier tank you're already kind of fudged. That contributes to the reputation bad players get, and is very easy to blame. Not that bad players are the problem in 3-5-7 anyway. An above-average platoon versus enemy "tryhards" tend to have a very obvious outcome too.



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1 bad battle out of 48483 .... 

 



Slind #18 Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:47 PM

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Enemy team has a platoon from OM, we had these two: http://prntscr.com/i0glts both 45% WR players after 50k battles. I wonder why they have 45% WR? Actually I don't, they don't shoot. I mean tier 9 TD,it's very difficult to shoot with that thing. Same with tier 9 Bat-Chat, not every animal can shoot with it, only the smart ones like worms. But not these 2. So why are they allowed to platoon? To make sure we have 2 tanks who do 0 damage in every battle? (We had 4 but who cares, not WG.) I mean, I know this is a game, but these are not playing. They are AFK or compared to it. No moving, no shooting, no spotting and in a platoon. It's not fun for us humans and I have no idea why these 2 won't try playing. If they drove into the enemy base right from the start, they might win more and have more fun and maybe even be able to shoot someone. Of course, you need be something to do that. I bet if I dropped a bad of warm dog puke on my keyboard, it would press 'R' and tank would drive forward and be more usefull than these 2.



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View PostSlind, on 14 January 2018 - 11:47 PM, said:

Enemy team has a platoon from OM, we had these two: http://prntscr.com/i0glts both 45% WR players after 50k battles. I wonder why they have 45% WR? Actually I don't, they don't shoot. I mean tier 9 TD,it's very difficult to shoot with that thing. Same with tier 9 Bat-Chat, not every animal can shoot with it, only the smart ones like worms. But not these 2. So why are they allowed to platoon? To make sure we have 2 tanks who do 0 damage in every battle? (We had 4 but who cares, not WG.) I mean, I know this is a game, but these are not playing. They are AFK or compared to it. No moving, no shooting, no spotting and in a platoon. It's not fun for us humans and I have no idea why these 2 won't try playing. If they drove into the enemy base right from the start, they might win more and have more fun and maybe even be able to shoot someone. Of course, you need be something to do that. I bet if I dropped a bad of warm dog puke on my keyboard, it would press 'R' and tank would drive forward and be more usefull than these 2.

 

Maybe a new bot-program, there are rumors that it pays to platoon in this game.....god knows, the game is broken anway.



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View PostBordhaw, on 12 January 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

1 bad battle out of 48483 .... 

 

 

That guy is 44 years old. 45 in a couple of months. 




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