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Axelfoley666 #1 Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:06 PM

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Can somebody please explain WHY? No matter what you do as an individual, how well you play, get 6 or more kills, you just continuously end up on the losing side. They just seem to appear out of no where. You can be trundling along as an average run of the mill player, winning and losing. Then BAM, the streak hits you and its 9 losses followed by a token win to keep you interested followed by 7 more losses and the occasional win. I know 1 player can carry teams from time to time but to continuously get the losing roll of the dice...........

 

I don't mind losing as it is part and parcel of the game, but when your win rate drops down into the 20's it is just frustrating as flip.  

 



_EXODUZ_ #2 Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:11 PM

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It does matter what you do as an individual player. Why? Well, it's because you don't usually carry your own weight, not even talking about carrying your team mates.

 

Edit. LUL, and you wonder why you're loosing often:


Edited by _EXODUZ_, 13 January 2018 - 12:12 PM.


MarioDR #3 Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:11 PM

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mm is rigged

TEMELJNI #4 Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:11 PM

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Today, more than 10 games in t49 each with combined dmg over 6k... loss. I feel you. Then again, i had some nice carry moments as well with victory for an endplate.. todays wr 51%

Mimos_A #5 Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:18 PM

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Because the MM is random.

 

Also, the fact that you average less than your own HP in damage in pretty much all of your tanks means your team will have to compensate for the damage you're not doing but are taking. Your survival rate is low as well, which means you're often not alive in the end to make the difference. Try to have  bigger impact in your games and be alive at the decisive moments and breaking a loss streak will be more in your own hands instead of relying on a good team to break the streak.



Axelfoley666 #6 Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:22 PM

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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 13 January 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

It does matter what you do as an individual player. Why? Well, it's because you don't usually carry your own weight, not even talking about carrying your team mates.

 

Edit. LUL, and you wonder why you're loosing often:

 

What are you even talking about. Did you just pick some random vehicles and some random stats over a random period. All you have shown there is that in the Lorr over 14 game I have a win rate of 42.86%. What is the point you are trying to make?

 


Edited by Axelfoley666, 13 January 2018 - 12:30 PM.


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View PostAxelfoley666, on 13 January 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

 

What are you even talking about. Did you just pick some random vehicles and some random stats over a random period. All you have shown there is that in the Lorr over 14 game I have a win rate of 42.86%. What is the point you are trying to make?

 

 

He actually picked your most played tanks in for the period of the last 7 days.

Arty is not known to carry well and a T92 isnt either.

 

Edit: Take a look here


Edited by Keyhand, 13 January 2018 - 12:51 PM.


Axelfoley666 #8 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:03 PM

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The reason I have played a lot of arty is for SPG-15 T-55A (and yes, unless you have the right map, scouts and RNG, Arty can be very poor for carrying games). T92 train up a crew. But my point is for example, I recently has a game in my KV-1s where I got 8 kills and 3185 dmg, but we still lost. That battle happened during a losing streak. Then as you say during a winning streak the enemy can fold so fast in a 15-0 win that, depending on vehicle i.e. AT-8, you may only get 1 or 2 shots in, cause zero dmg, and still win. I am sure there are Unicom's out there with there 60% plus win rates that dominate just about every battle they are in and carry poor teams all the time. I am asking about Joe Average and how and why losing streaks happen.

 



soul3ater #9 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:10 PM

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When i see myself losing much, not even close games but steam rolls i just logout and come back in a bit. You gotta confuse the rigged MM.

Jigabachi #10 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:16 PM

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It's really simple: You are a barely average player with a far below average performance in all your higher tier tanks. If you play badly, the chance to get losing streaks is much higher.

 

In other words: It DOES matter how well you play. Besides that, exaggerating and lying when talking about your performance really doesn't help.


Edited by Jigabachi, 13 January 2018 - 01:18 PM.


Axelfoley666 #11 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:22 PM

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View PostJigabachi, on 13 January 2018 - 12:16 PM, said:

It's really simple: You are a barely average player with a far below average performance in all your higher tier tanks. If you play badly, the chance to get losing streaks is much higher.

 

In other words: It DOES matter how well you play. Besides that, exaggerating and lying when talking about your performance really doesn't help.

 

How am I lying please?

 



Jigabachi #12 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:25 PM

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View PostAxelfoley666, on 13 January 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

How am I lying please?

In how many of those matches did you get 6+ kills? 

 

btw: Only counting kills to evaluate your contribution is quite nonsensical. 



Mimos_A #13 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:27 PM

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View PostAxelfoley666, on 13 January 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

The reason I have played a lot of arty is for SPG-15 T-55A (and yes, unless you have the right map, scouts and RNG, Arty can be very poor for carrying games). T92 train up a crew. But my point is for example, I recently has a game in my KV-1s where I got 8 kills and 3185 dmg, but we still lost. That battle happened during a losing streak. Then as you say during a winning streak the enemy can fold so fast in a 15-0 win that, depending on vehicle i.e. AT-8, you may only get 1 or 2 shots in, cause zero dmg, and still win. I am sure there are Unicom's out there with there 60% plus win rates that dominate just about every battle they are in and carry poor teams all the time. I am asking about Joe Average and how and why losing streaks happen.

 

We all have great battles that we lose anyway. But that has nothing to do with losing streaks. The way to minimize the chance of losing streaks is to consistently have a bigger impact. The more your own impact is, the less you rely on other people on your team. The less you rely on others in your team to do well, the bigger your chance to win. A bigger chance to win means a smaller chance of a long losing streak.

 

Basically, the more pew pew you do, the less pew pew your teammates have to do to win.



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View PostAxelfoley666, on 13 January 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

Can somebody please explain WHY? No matter what you do as an individual, how well you play, get 6 or more kills, you just continuously end up on the losing side. They just seem to appear out of no where. You can be trundling along as an average run of the mill player, winning and losing. Then BAM, the streak hits you and its 9 losses followed by a token win to keep you interested followed by 7 more losses and the occasional win. I know 1 player can carry teams from time to time but to continuously get the losing roll of the dice...........

 

I don't mind losing as it is part and parcel of the game, but when your win rate drops down into the 20's it is just frustrating as flip.  

 

 

Yes it’s frustrating but how would you propose WG ensure that you don’t getting losing streaks. Would you like to be put into a team designed to lose so that another player can win?

unhappy_bunny #15 Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:09 PM

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View PostAxelfoley666, on 13 January 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

The reason I have played a lot of arty is for SPG-15 T-55A (and yes, unless you have the right map, scouts and RNG, Arty can be very poor for carrying games). T92 train up a crew. But my point is for example, I recently has a game in my KV-1s where I got 8 kills and 3185 dmg, but we still lost. That battle happened during a losing streak. Then as you say during a winning streak the enemy can fold so fast in a 15-0 win that, depending on vehicle i.e. AT-8, you may only get 1 or 2 shots in, cause zero dmg, and still win. I am sure there are Unicom's out there with there 60% plus win rates that dominate just about every battle they are in and carry poor teams all the time. I am asking about Joe Average and how and why losing streaks happen.

 

 

Because if one team has, say, 4 Joe Averages and 11 sub Joe Averages and the enemy has, say, 2 better than average, 2 Joe averages, and 11 sub Joe Averages, then the enemy has the advantage. Even if the teams were equally balanced, it only takes a sub Joe to get a lucky shot or two to tip the balance. Consistancy in the play by a Joe Average can help raise him, and raise the chances of a team winning. It only takes 1 mistake by a Joe Average to put him out of the game, whereas a better player can make the same mistake but recover from it, and if that Joe Average is one of the top tiers, or one of the better players in the team, the win chance plummets. I speak as a fellow Joe Average, who has a great battle every so often, but still makes those silly mistakes and knows he has let the team down. I try to learn from them, but sometimes the blood rushes to the head and I go and make the same, or similar, mistake again. 

when losing streaks happen, I either take out a fun tank, or find a platoon mate to help, or just take a break. Nothing in a computer game should get you worked up into a state where you cannot find it enjoyable.

 

I have seen a player with 80%+ w/r and 30k+ battles. He is a good player at the tiers he plays, that is obvious, but he sticks to playing at those tiers. Hence his w/r, but is that w/r meaningful to anyone else other than him? In a way, he is ensuring his team wins, but he is not challenging himself, although one has to assume he is enjoying himself. 



Rato_Black_Baron #16 Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:31 PM

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As a Billy Joe Average with 30k, I think it's random from my XP.
Note: Two examples with avg performances, 1388 and 1673 WN8.
I also get some sessions with extreme performances, but that's another story.

Spoiler

Everyday there are hundreads of players with extreme sessions (WR).
For a 90,91% WR, on EU server I've got the 127th place for that day.

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It would be very strange if these extremes didn't occurred...
If the frequency of these events, for the EU pop, is previsible or not, I don't know.

Good luck!



apaleytos #17 Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:30 PM

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Some days you win more,some days you lose more,grinding some t6-7 crews.It will be worse later but still...

 

Spoiler

 


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Axelfoley666 #18 Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:40 PM

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Thanks for the helpful and constructive answers.

ArgentHellion #19 Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:43 PM

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View Postsoul3ater, on 13 January 2018 - 01:10 PM, said:

When i see myself losing much, not even close games but steam rolls i just logout and come back in a bit. You gotta confuse the rigged MM.

 

I've been logging my battles for some time now and I can indeed confirm the

MM is rigged in one particular way. Since I'm probably listed in that bottom

"filthy_little_free_to_play_peasant_scrub_that_doesnt_own_many_premium_

_tanks_and_doesnt_purchase_any_premium_account_value_the_stingy_

_little_bastard", I can say that the MM is quite vicious towards me.

 

Results for my tiers are:

 - 83% bottomtier rate

 - 11% middletier rate (including single-tier battles)

 - 6% toptier rate

 

Results for my battles are (victories/losses not counted)

 - 64% runaway battles (from 15-0 to 15-5 and the other way around)

 - 24% "modest" battles (from 15-6 to 15-10 and the other way around)

 - 9% fair battles (from 15-11 to 15-14 and the other way around)

 - 3% non-purge battles (battle ends in a cap or in a draw)

 

So... unless you're really lucky and really skilled, or both, I don't see you

carrying your games much if you're stuck in the same bucket of crap I'm in.

 

I'll be keeping track up until I have a sample of 10k battles, what I stated above

comes from a sample of just above 500 battles, but from what I can tell at this

moment, I see three possible ways the matchmaker works, and it's DEFINITELY

NOT the way we've been told in those handy-little videos describing vehicle

"weight" or something on the matchmaker board.

 

 

 

 


Edited by ArgentHellion, 13 January 2018 - 03:46 PM.


PowJay #20 Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:47 PM

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Do you ever stop to think why YOU had 6 kills and lost? It is because your team was so bad that you were able to get six kills, but not all 15 of the enemy.

 

How well do you do in a win? Do you regularly get 2 or 3 or more kills in a win? and/or plenty of damage? Or do they carry your sorry backside?






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