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Testudo_san #1 Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:35 PM

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I really can't understand how to get better at this game. Does it come naturally to some people? I'm watching replays, learning weak spots, learning map strategies and learning how to handle my tank properly to maximize armor but still can't stay alive long enough or do enough damage. Every day I have more losses than wins. Why is this so hard? It should be simple but it isn't. Am I just stupid at this game?

enu_ #2 Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:55 PM

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it comes if you are willing to learn mechanics, maps etc. but not in 900 battles. and if you don't enjoy playing this game, play something else, before you put your soul (and money) in it. at least it's free to (play) try

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Xandania #3 Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:58 PM

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It's like learning everything else. For example, I can learn Japanese grammar and vocabs, but without training that's no use.

Just play some more games and if you keep up the learning, you will be perfectly fine :)



Sessine #4 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:01 AM

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It takes some time. Way more then 938 battles. Part of this is that you also need to build good crews. Just pick a number of tier 4/5 tanks to start learning in and training the crews. Turn on Accelerated crew training after you finished grinding the next tank and keep going with it.

 

 

 

 



Jigabachi #5 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:05 AM

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View PostTestudo_san, on 14 January 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

Am I just stupid at this game?

You are new. And you expect a bit too much. Just keep playing and give yourself some time to translate everthing you read and watched into actual gameplay.

You aren't rushing up the tiers, you are willing to learn. That already makes you superior to the vast majority of players. Come back when you have 2000 matches, then you'll see if you did everything right.



xx984 #6 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:07 AM

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Took me about 6k battles before i started to get the hang of it, about 15k before i started getting actually "good"

 

But, I really wasn't going out of my way to improve before that, I got to around the 6k mark and then started to take it abit more seriously, around 15k mark when i really started trying. Im sure if you try you could do it way before then. And honestly for under 1k battles you are not terrible. 48% winrate and im assuming this is your first account, most people end up with 45%-47% While your average damage per battle is low, thats to be expected. and yet its still better than alot of people who are under 1k games. Dont rush up the tiers, and try to have fun at the same time as thinking of what you could do better, if you stress and worry about improving all the time then you will find the game rather boring and frustrating quickly. Also if you have any replays you want another opinion on, feel free to PM me with the link, and when i get the chance ill watch and give my opinion on what you could of done.

 

:) Best of luck



MrGimpSuit #7 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:16 AM

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Don't do what I did and rush up the tiers. Stick at tier 5 for a while learn the maps and mechanics and it will come. 

treeter #8 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:19 AM

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Its kinda late, so I am not in the mood to write you an essay, but this game is harder than other games to get good at. It all comes down to how well you know game mechanics and  its also about your game sence that will come with more games. There are some links that I can think of to get you started:

 

some basic tips, also wotlabs are great source of info:

http://forum.wotlabs...tion-of-guides/

http://forum.wotlabs...-updated-12215/

 

If you have a lot of  time:

http://wiki.wargamin...attle_Mechanics

 

Also wargaming has some decent game mechanics videos if i remember correctly. About camo, penetration and armor.

 

For streamers I would recommend Zeven, idk if he even stream anymore, but if he doesnt just watch some of his videos. He is imo best at explaining what is in unicum head and why he do things.

 

Also tier 5-7 is where you should stick for a long time, dont go over as it will be expensive for you.

 

 

 

 


Edited by treeter, 15 January 2018 - 12:21 AM.


trazetraze #9 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:34 AM

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1k battles is nothing, just enjoy game and you get better for sure

Beltalowda #10 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:42 AM

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Well trained crew can make even a stock tank playable and also can make a big difference.

Another thing is an appropriate equipment and consumables. Large one's give you the extra edge you might need.

Disable stuff like grass in the sniper mode, smoke after firing a gun ( if this thing still exist in the settings option. It did bit me once in the arse for trying to use it, for the extra effects, you know ), bush density to medium, and some other stuff I can't remember now.

Read the battle, an example here :
Map Abbey, Northern spawn. It is obvious that 9line is going to fall, you are on the 2/4 line. You see it on the map so go back and use the balcony at C3 to defend the base. Simple as that, you can double bush, you can spot for your self etc.
Reading the minimap and predicting what's going to happen is not that hard. It's basic counting skills.
Then it's the question of your team winning the other flank, helping you out, etc.

Keep checking your minimap, like every few seconds so you know what's going on.

Being able to tell what gun is your opponent using, what's the damage and roughly pen  or what turret and how it is soft or strong for you to pen will come eventually by grinding the lines your self or watching or trying out on your friends account. Just don't share it on forum it's against the rules.

If you know that those two tanks are going to fall, just retreat to a better position. Don't fight a losing battle, if they would know better they would have retreated already.
Keep tour gun signing for as long as possible.

Don't grind too many lines at once, stick to a few and train your crew's.

Don't go anywhere alone or heavily underpowered unless you are certain of your self to make the difference in numbers needed to win that flank or a key position. Something like winning the C1 at Serene Coast.

It was a long day in the office, I finished my second pint after work and I am going home now.

Good luck  


dimethylcadmium #11 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:43 AM

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Show some replays if you want constructive criticism

 

Edit: Did you train your crews to 75%? Don't play tanks with 50% crews. If you don't have enough money to train the crew, don't buy a new tank


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cragarion #12 Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:06 AM

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View PostTestudo_san, on 14 January 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

I really can't understand how to get better at this game. Does it come naturally to some people? I'm watching replays, learning weak spots, learning map strategies and learning how to handle my tank properly to maximize armor but still can't stay alive long enough or do enough damage. Every day I have more losses than wins. Why is this so hard? It should be simple but it isn't. Am I just stupid at this game?

 

Stop trying so hard and just play for fun,

who cares about stats they don't mean anything you don't get anything for having better stats,

just play the game how you feel most comfortable.



dimethylcadmium #13 Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:23 AM

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View Postcragarion, on 15 January 2018 - 01:06 AM, said:

 

Stop trying so hard and just play for fun,

who cares about stats they don't mean anything you don't get anything for having better stats,

just play the game how you feel most comfortable.

 

 

You dont get anything for having better stats?

 

better skill -> better stats -> better win rate -> better XP per game -> faster crew/tank grinds -> more rewards



Beltalowda #14 Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:28 AM

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View Postcragarion, on 15 January 2018 - 12:06 AM, said:

 

Stop trying so hard and just play for fun,

who cares about stats they don't mean anything you don't get anything for having better stats,

just play the game how you feel most comfortable.

 

The main goal of every game is to be fun.

 

And you get more fun out of winning then losing. 



znapper74 #15 Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:49 AM

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View PostTestudo_san, on 14 January 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

I really can't understand how to get better at this game. Does it come naturally to some people? I'm watching replays, learning weak spots, learning map strategies and learning how to handle my tank properly to maximize armor but still can't stay alive long enough or do enough damage. Every day I have more losses than wins. Why is this so hard? It should be simple but it isn't. Am I just stupid at this game?

 

I'll let you in on a few gotcha's and secrets that I wish I knew in the beginning and not now, with 10 000 casual games under my belt:

 

It's harder to play the game now and to ace stuff because

- The game is old and there are many old-timers re-rolling into the lower tiers with mostly OP tanks and thus club away at new players for stats.

- In the past, in the mid-tiers, certain tanks could wipe out a whole team alone, no longer possible.

- There are bots, which will loose the game for you if you are unlucky to have some key bot-tanks on your team.

- You will win and loose at the wim of the matchmaker, if your team loose, you loose,,,,,,nothing you can do than to get as many frags and do as much damage as possible before you are ran over.

- Statistically you should win and loose 50% of all games, but in reality, there are either 40-something or 50-something people (and unicorns). If you are 40-something, it's because the % is calculated from more than win/loss. Though, the old farts on this forum will explain that you basically suck (usually in a demeaning manner), while they themselves have racked up their stats while WOT was in it's early stages and with sneaky OP tanks and various addons, allowing complete and utter dominance if you knew your head from your a$$ rear.

- However......sometimes, the RNG will just ruin your day anyway, so you cannot pen, your shots "miss" while you are being penned and killed faster than you can say Kremlin, by light tanks, two tier below your own tank.

 

My advice, use only OP tanks and also the cheat-mode they refer to as XVM.

 

With XVM

- You can identify and club low-stat players, hopefully not just some unlucky b*stard like yourself, but someone truly noobish who don't know what they are doing, or a bot, that you are likely to be able to kill.

- You can avoid the OP guys, running their übertanks with vents, popcorn-machines and porn-mags.

- You can team up with players that are yellow, green or very gay purple, this will, for some reason, give YOU better stats "skill".

- Also, when you use the cheat-mod like XVM, you can go into the setup, where you adjust your crosshair, and change that crosshair into one that changes from red to green when you are over the area of a tank that you are able to penetrate.......WHAT A SKILL!!1111 Amazing.....that no one here has mentioned that "skill".....heh?

 

But they like to mention their stats.....

 

Fudge their advice.

 

Also, shoot "gold" ammo as often as you can afford it, never place the rear, side or the underbelly or your front towards the enemy if you can help it.

Always do it like they do it in REAL wars (lol) (works best for city-maps); Ram your tank into the wall, then wiggle your fat butt just a hair and BACK OUT at a sharp angle, until you get a clear shot of the enemy further down the street, then ram your tank back into the wall for security and nappies.

- Never fire until you get a yellow or green from the cheat XVM penetration indicator mentioned earlier.

 

For some reason, the a$$ butt of the tank (usually) cannot be penetrated if it is angled almost parallel to the enemy, but if RNG is not on your side, you will get penned anyway.

 

Never go alone, or with just one other tank, if a flank is weak, fudge that and go with the 80% that are on the other side (or better yet, are all on the red line), being a hero in this game is mute, as your skill will never be able to handle a flank alone.

 

Don't be too agressive and not too passive, you need to be "there" without being the front-guy taking all the enemy shots.

If you have XVM, linger behind a purple or green dude and get in the odd shot or two and see how they wiggle the bum of the tank and place themselves at corners etc.

 

Always aim to do at least as much damage as your own tank can handle, even if you loose.

 

Never play tier 8, at least not before they have fixed the matchmaker for that tier, you will be top tier only around 15% of the time, the rest of the time, you work as cannon-fodder for tier 9 and 10.

 

I am sure there are MANY other variants you can tweak that XVM to, so you can know when you have the safest side of your tank towards the enemy, probably a whole bunch of others, like showing streaks from enemy shots to reveal their location etc, only the good-old puples here knows the inner-sanctum of those, but google around and get the upper hand.

- Just don't come back later and stat-bash someone else because they cannot get a good winrate. ^^

 

Many people here, being all condescending and unhelpful are actually re-rollers who use every trick in the book to get ahead and stay ahead, others have been around since the beginning of the game and have been able to rack up good stats before the game was patched to kingdom come.

 

And should you get tired of the "randomness" of this game, the stat-bashing from old-timers and re-rollers and unexplainable loosing streaks and a impregnable 50% wr wall, try a different game. Preferably a FPS-game that don't [edited]up your actual skill with things like RNG, Matchmaking gold-ammo and in addition allows people to install mods that gives them the (unfair) upper hand.

A vanilla FPS game that can handle a bit of lag is the true test of actual skill.

 

The old guys will not like this post, see how I care.

 

GL & HF to you.


Edited by znapper74, 15 January 2018 - 03:14 AM.


TungstenHitman #16 Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:55 AM

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There's always differences between ppl obviously but all things said you will get better with experience. It's one thing learning all about the game and about this and about that, it's another thing putting it all together into one fluid working thing of beauty. That comes with experience and practice makes perfect, it's not just about getting one or two things right it's about getting most of it right most of the time. We all have lousy battles but better players do stuff you have to think about almost subconsciously like breathing.

 

When you are aiming at a weak spot and that is your main focus, a more experienced player will be doing so much more. He will also be fully aware of what's happening around the map as best he can, where he is, how much of his tank is showing, what other potential enemies will be in that area and whether or not it's worth fighting right now or to hang back or even relocate entirely. For example you might be doing what you learned but completely ignore that you are on the wrong side of a hill or tracks where enemy tanks can easily hit you or you are on the correct side of the hill where enemy tanks can't hit you but you totally overlooked the fact that you are somewhat static, shooting weak spots like a boss in a hull down position and have also forgotten that there are 3 hard hitting arty on each team and you are about to taste what perma-stunned is all about lol. Even simply being aware of the angle at which you present your tank to your enemy at any given moment while you are also aiming at weakspots on a moving target while you are also moving, constantly trying to make your tank as bouncy as possible while trying to make his a pennable(is that a word?) as possible. Picking your fights, knowing when to stay, knowing when to run, knowing when too shoot, knowing when not to shoot, knowing when to switch ammo types, knowing when to track a target might be the better choice than just simply penning him... when to aim manually, when autoaim is sometimes the better choice and so much more.. now do it all at once.. this is ultimately what defines the skill difference when all else is even... and at what speed your brain does it at.



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I have been playing since beta and I have been in top clans for many years I can tutor you if you want.

ricoBenitez1 #18 Posted 15 January 2018 - 09:47 AM

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You could all so have a look/read of Tankers Handbook

http://forum.worldof...nkers-handbook/



cragarion #19 Posted 15 January 2018 - 10:13 AM

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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 15 January 2018 - 01:23 AM, said:

 

 

You dont get anything for having better stats?

 

better skill -> better stats -> better win rate -> better XP per game -> faster crew/tank grinds -> more rewards

 

No stats don't get you any of that, stats get you absolutely nothing,

 

stats don't decide how well you play on any given day,

stats don't decide what team you get stuck with,

stats don't decide what map you get for the tank you are playing,

that's all down to skill and luck,

 

stats don't give you better skill,

stats don't give you better stats,

stats don't give you better win rate,

stats don't give you better xp,

stats don't give you faster crew and tank grinds,

stats don't give you more rewards,

you have it all the wrong way around all those things give you better stats not the other way around stats give you nothing.

 

 


Edited by cragarion, 15 January 2018 - 10:14 AM.


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View PostTestudo_san, on 14 January 2018 - 10:35 PM, said:

I really can't understand how to get better at this game. Does it come naturally to some people? I'm watching replays, learning weak spots, learning map strategies and learning how to handle my tank properly to maximize armor but still can't stay alive long enough or do enough damage. Every day I have more losses than wins. Why is this so hard? It should be simple but it isn't. Am I just stupid at this game?

 

​Knowing there is room for improvement and wanting to improve is the first step to being better.  Quite a lot of players never get that far!  Some think the game is rigged so they cannot get any better, for example.  I would suggest you join the in-game channel 'Forumites' (password: 'play4fun' ).  A lot of players there play in platoons and will be happy to show you how they do well in certain tanks/maps etc.  Seeing others play and being in the same game can help massively.

 

 

View Postcragarion, on 15 January 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

 

No stats don't get you any of that, stats get you absolutely nothing,

 

stats don't decide how well you play on any given day,

stats don't decide what team you get stuck with,

stats don't decide what map you get for the tank you are playing,

that's all down to skill and luck,

 

stats don't give you better skill,

stats don't give you better stats,

stats don't give you better win rate,

stats don't give you better xp,

stats don't give you faster crew and tank grinds,

stats don't give you more rewards,

you have it all the wrong way around all those things give you better stats not the other way around stats give you nothing.

 

 

 

Stats are merely a record of how well a player has done.  If a player tends to play better then they will tend to earn more credits and XP and also have better stats as a consequence.  Stats don't make you better, but being better gives you better stats.


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