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Bad_Mojo_incoming #1 Posted 15 January 2018 - 11:34 AM

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I know this probably won't resonate with a lot of players, but I think my little VK1602 Leopard scout desperately really needs a buff in premium ammo penetraiton for it's 3cm machine gun to put it mildly.

110 pen for a premium round in tier 5 tank that meets tier 7 tanks is RETARDED to say the least, especially at 1200 credits per shot!

A 12 round clip costing 14400 credits for an average 360 dmg? ARE U FRIGGIN' KIDDING ME?

Even Mephisto himself would call this greed beyond greed.

I know I have been playing my Lill.Leo for long enough, but this has gone on for too long and you even took 60HP off of it, GOD knows why WG felt that this was in any way necessary as I was almost ALWAYS oneshotted with 390 alpha guns anyway...

Other tier 5 lights like the Chaffee, M7, T50 or the AMX ELC get 130 to 170 penetration with vastly superior DPM considering the Leo's 16-17 second reload.

 

I'm very curious how WG staff would try to defend this undefendable position.



mvdt #2 Posted 15 January 2018 - 11:36 AM

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Use the 5cm :P

Balc0ra #3 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:17 PM

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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 15 January 2018 - 11:34 AM, said:

Other tier 5 lights like the Chaffee, M7, T50 or the AMX ELC get 130 to 170 penetration with vastly superior DPM considering the Leo's 16-17 second reload.

 

They do, but the 103 is considered the stock gun on the Leo, no the top one. The top gun gets 700 more dpm vs it. Giving it the 2nd highest DPM of all my tier 5 lights. T-50 gets more, but he has a 47mm. And he gets the same gold pen as him, but 10mm more base pen vs the T-50. The 103 is only good for burst damage, nothing more.

Bad_Mojo_incoming #4 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:21 PM

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View Postmvdt, on 15 January 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

Use the 5cm :P

 

Have you ever played the Leo? The standard AP round of the 5cm has measly 67 pen for 70 dmg and the APCR has 130 sure, but for 2000 credits a shot, with 70 average dmg...when 390 alpha guns with 250+ pen cost 4000? That's like almost 3 times more economical. How the hell do you call that reasonable?

ZlatanArKung #5 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:24 PM

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Leo was a fun tank before the bane of light tanks arrived (light tank patch) like so many other light tanks.
After the patch, regular light tanks are not interesting or fun any more.
Except T71 DA.
And I heard 13 90 is still decent.

And the old premium lights of course.


Edited by ZlatanArKung, 15 January 2018 - 12:24 PM.


Bad_Mojo_incoming #6 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:26 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 15 January 2018 - 12:17 PM, said:

 

They do, but the 103 is considered the stock gun on the Leo, no the top one. The top gun gets 700 more dpm vs it. Giving it the 2nd highest DPM of all my tier 5 lights. T-50 gets more, but he has a 47mm. And he gets the same gold pen as him, but 10mm more base pen vs the T-50. The 103 is only good for burst damage, nothing more.

 

Oh, absolutely, but to achieve this DPM, you need to fire premium rounds cz even in tier V 67 mm penetration isn't quite enough against meds, not to mention heavies or armored TDs. And like I said, fire a 2000 credit premium round for 70 average damage is pretty damn expensive, don't you think? Hell, the Shitbarns premium HESH rounds come at 8000 credits per shot and they have 1750 alpha! That's like 437.5 dmg for 2000 credits...compared to the 70 for the Leo.

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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 15 January 2018 - 11:34 AM, said:

I know this probably won't resonate with a lot of players, but I think my little VK1602 Leopard scout desperately really needs a buff in premium ammo penetraiton for it's 3cm machine gun to put it mildly.

110 pen for a premium round in tier 5 tank that meets tier 7 tanks is RETARDED to say the least, especially at 1200 credits per shot!

A 12 round clip costing 14400 credits for an average 360 dmg? ARE U FRIGGIN' KIDDING ME?

Even Mephisto himself would call this greed beyond greed.

I know I have been playing my Lill.Leo for long enough, but this has gone on for too long and you even took 60HP off of it, GOD knows why WG felt that this was in any way necessary as I was almost ALWAYS oneshotted with 390 alpha guns anyway...

Other tier 5 lights like the Chaffee, M7, T50 or the AMX ELC get 130 to 170 penetration with vastly superior DPM considering the Leo's 16-17 second reload.

 

I'm very curious how WG staff would try to defend this undefendable position.

 

First, it should be 1200 credit for clip, not for shot. In autoloader you can buy just full clips. so it's actually 100credit per shot.

Then with the spectacular 95 pen and agility of the tank, you should be able to flank the small ammount of tanks you can't pen.

Facing an IS or O-Ni from the front it's not a good idea, especially since the hitpoint nerf...



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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 15 January 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

 

Have you ever played the Leo? The standard AP round of the 5cm has measly 67 pen for 70 dmg and the APCR has 130 sure, but for 2000 credits a shot, with 70 average dmg...when 390 alpha guns with 250+ pen cost 4000? That's like almost 3 times more economical. How the hell do you call that reasonable?

 

I have actually. I play with the 5cm cause it is better for me. 100 pen, 2 sec reload. Higher dpm and pen, compared to the 3 cm. 

I personally don't really care about making a profit, since I make enough money in other tanks. 



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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 15 January 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

 

Have you ever played the Leo? The standard AP round of the 5cm has measly 67 pen for 70 dmg and the APCR has 130 sure

 

I suggest you check again. It has more or the same pen the most of the tier 5 lights now. It has 100 AP pen. 67 was when the 5cm was the stock gun before the LT changes.

Vajsravana #10 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:53 PM

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There is no tier VII you can't pen from the side/back. A tank with the mobility of the Leopard is not meant to shoot people from the front, that's all.

 

Yeah, "you can't flank in every map"... well, that's the same for paper TDs / arty in a city or heavies / slow TDs in open maps. If you want tank performing on every kind of maps, that's what mediums are for.



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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 15 January 2018 - 12:26 PM, said:

 

Oh, absolutely, but to achieve this DPM, you need to fire premium rounds cz even in tier V 67 mm penetration isn't quite enough against meds, not to mention heavies or armored TDs. And like I said, fire a 2000 credit premium round for 70 average damage is pretty damn expensive, don't you think? Hell, the Shitbarns premium HESH rounds come at 8000 credits per shot and they have 1750 alpha! That's like 437.5 dmg for 2000 credits...compared to the 70 for the Leo.

 

Have you been living under a rock for the past 6 months? Tier 5 light tanks don't see Tier 8 anymore. They were all nerfed because of that. The 5cm gun now has 70 alpha and 100 pen, not 67

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 15 January 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

Except T71 DA.
And I heard 13 90 is still decent.

 

Both are epic. Funnily the only light tanks that are viable in corridor meta are the ones with actual firepower instead of pew pew guns that only tickle enemy once every 4 seconds.

 

T71 DA is so strong, it should not IMHO ever meet tier 5 tanks.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 15 January 2018 - 01:26 PM.


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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 15 January 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

 

Have you ever played the Leo? The standard AP round of the 5cm has measly 67 pen for 70 dmg and the APCR has 130 sure, but for 2000 credits a shot, with 70 average dmg...when 390 alpha guns with 250+ pen cost 4000? That's like almost 3 times more economical. How the hell do you call that reasonable?

 

Isn't 5cm AP pen 100mm?

Edited by Temid23, 15 January 2018 - 01:48 PM.


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Bruh, the Leopard is pretty strong after the LT changes if anything. It lost some speed and HP but got gun handling buff and much better matchmaking so it is overall a better tank than it was before 9.18.

 

It used to meet tier 9 with that penetration and it still worked well enough, cmon man.



_VoiVittu_ #15 Posted 15 January 2018 - 02:45 PM

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100% Moe on 95 battles. Use the 3cm gun, shoot The sides and rears, keep moving. Simple. Its one of The better tier5 tanks.

Edited by _VoiVittu_, 15 January 2018 - 02:46 PM.


Mannanan #16 Posted 15 January 2018 - 03:14 PM

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It is a strong tank, I rarely use APCR and have 2 MoEs with 3cm. It has the same pen like Luchs but I have found it no problem. It would be probably too strong with more pen.

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ederfe #17 Posted 15 January 2018 - 04:01 PM

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OP please have a look in tanks.gg to compare pen numbers on tier 5 lights instead of pulling numbers out of your behind.

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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 15 January 2018 - 11:34 AM, said:

I know this probably won't resonate with a lot of players, but I think my little VK1602 Leopard scout desperately really needs a buff in premium ammo penetraiton for it's 3cm machine gun to put it mildly.

110 pen for a premium round in tier 5 tank that meets tier 7 tanks is RETARDED to say the least, especially at 1200 credits per shot!

A 12 round clip costing 14400 credits for an average 360 dmg? ARE U FRIGGIN' KIDDING ME?

Even Mephisto himself would call this greed beyond greed.

I know I have been playing my Lill.Leo for long enough, but this has gone on for too long and you even took 60HP off of it, GOD knows why WG felt that this was in any way necessary as I was almost ALWAYS oneshotted with 390 alpha guns anyway...

Other tier 5 lights like the Chaffee, M7, T50 or the AMX ELC get 130 to 170 penetration with vastly superior DPM considering the Leo's 16-17 second reload.

 

I'm very curious how WG staff would try to defend this undefendable position.

 

If you have problems with the PEN you are playing it wrong...

 

 



Bad_Mojo_incoming #19 Posted 15 January 2018 - 04:16 PM

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Ok, I stand corrected on the 5cm gun having 100pen. As I have almost NEVER actually used that gun, I skipped that change. Maybe I'll try it,

but I still love the autocannon a whole lot more and I feel it's ammo is unreasonably, outrageously expensive for that low penetration and alpha for both guns.

View Postdimethylcadmium, on 15 January 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

 

Have you been living under a rock for the past 6 months? Tier 5 light tanks don't see Tier 8 anymore. They were all nerfed because of that. The 5cm gun now has 70 alpha and 100 pen, not 67

 

I have, in a sense that I haven't noticed that the 5cm got 100pen for it's AP rounds, that's true, but where exactly am I stating that I meet Tier 8s? There are plenty of tanks at tier 6 and 7 that get 300+ alpha, some IS, IS2, Su100 even get the dreaded D25 gun with 390 alpha.

 

Damn it, how do I attach screencaps?


Edited by Bad_Mojo_incoming, 15 January 2018 - 04:22 PM.


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I havent had any issues , the Leo with the autogun is borderline brokenly OP.




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