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voulezvous #341 Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:04 PM

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View PostStinkyStonky, on 31 January 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

 

What do you mean by this ?  Have you changed how the SH Match Maker pairs off teams ?

Or is there some kind of "Elo-leaderboard" web page ?

 

We mean the one in the game client. Check it out and tell us what you think!

Norstein_Bekker #342 Posted 31 January 2018 - 08:10 PM

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If there is an "ELO-leaderboard", does this mean we could get rewards according to the clan ELO ? Or can we get blacked ? Because basically, you just push your changes on us without any kind of counterparts.

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View Postvoulezvous, on 31 January 2018 - 06:04 PM, said:

 

We mean the one in the game client. Check it out and tell us what you think!

 

I just checked it, and it is useless as are the red lights in a GTA game.

It is mind blowing that you are wasting time by doing useless leaderboards that no one cares about.....

How about fixing those damn chat problems instead of that? Or actually rewarding players/clans for being good instead of punishing them?



TheSaintJohn #344 Posted 01 February 2018 - 08:39 AM

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This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks.

 

pubescent covards.... i expected so much more.....


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Serprotease #345 Posted 01 February 2018 - 09:53 AM

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View PostStinkyStonky, on 30 January 2018 - 04:08 PM, said:

Thanks for drawing my attention to the NOOT guys. Obviously I responded to their posts numerous times but that was 2 pages back.

 

So in the past 28 days they have played

900 tier 6 - 85% WR

505 tier 8 - 71% WR

297 tier 10 - 78% WR

 

oh and

 

7 advances - 41% WR

 

That last one's interesting, don't you think?  It's the 15v15 tier 10 that they rave about and yet only 7 games.  I wonder if anyone can spot a possible reason ?  They have a tier 10 trophy brigade - that gives them +60% resources from advances.  I wonder why they hardly use it ?

 

What the stats above do show is that NOOT are most qualified to comment on 7v7 tier 6.  A mode to which they contribute nothing, other than to make it unpleasant for other clans.

 

At the beginning of January, we used to be the most active Sh clan of the Eu cluster (In T8 and T10)

We were above 350 T10 and 700 T8 per 28 days

 

We barely play Advance because we don't really need to play them. We have no real need for boxes and we're not really found of the tryhard mindset that goes with advances.

In the same time, we had T10 sh 15v15 from 19 to 1 pm almost everyday.

Now, we struggle to play T10 sh 10v10 for 2h. No one really want to play them.

 

Btw, more or less due to those change most of our players (as myself) grew bored of this game/ policy and are leaving. We're in the process of disbanding the clan.

So yeah

Much fun.

We were a "small clan" (as we barely have over 60 members) Yet, we were active and Wg policy to help "small clan" to get into T10 killed us.

Great success.

 

View PostPh3lan, on 31 January 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

I won't be able to give you exact numbers, but after the 10vs10 changes were introduced the number of battles increased by 5+ times compared to the previous setting. Now that we changed it back to 15vs15 we can already see that it is decreasing to the previous levels. So, based on the numbers it seems that the 10vs10 format makes much more sense. Let's give it some more time though and see how it changes as the bonds marathon also has an impact on the numbers at this point. 

 

For real ?

Is that really how Wg is thinking or is this just how you're suppose to communicate about this subject ?

 

15v15 +5 legio

10v10 + 9 Legio

 

Obviously you will have more battle played in the latest.

 

if you lower the requierement to launch a game, more game will be played. Yet, this doesnt make those change relevant.

It's called padding

 



BlablaPaige #346 Posted 01 February 2018 - 10:19 AM

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View PostSerprotease, on 01 February 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

 

. We're in the process of disbanding the clan.

 

Woooooooh calm down, we had 4h of tier 10 yesterday

Serprotease #347 Posted 01 February 2018 - 10:26 AM

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View PostBlablaPaige, on 01 February 2018 - 09:19 AM, said:

 

Woooooooh calm down, we had 4h of tier 10 yesterday

 

We're not very good at disbanding

Maybe you should give a call to batan_darak ?



StinkyStonky #348 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:54 AM

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View PostBlablaPaige, on 31 January 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

Also why you don't say anything about my screen proving you wrong about our activity during the test? :)   Oh right you don't read that kind of post... 

That's exactly right I don't.  Corporate firewall prevents me from downloading the pngs from that site.

When I get home I don't have time for the forums.  To busy playing ;-)

If you want me to look at the images, embed them in the post, don't provide a link to a file sharing site.



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So stop saying lie about our activities

 

By embed you mean something like that?

Spoiler

 

 


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StinkyStonky #350 Posted 01 February 2018 - 02:24 PM

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No need for me to lie.  I use the official WG page 

 

http://eu.wargaming.net/clans/wot/500060049/

and

http://eu.wargaming.net/clans/wot/500060049/stronghold/ <-- this page gives all time totals but isn't loading for me ATM.

 

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Skirmishes
Division Battles for 28 days
X 264 (79.92%)
VIII 512 (73.83%)
VI 888 (86.37%)
Advances
For 28 days 7 (42.86%)

 

Stats are hard to lie about.  It's too easy to look them up.



StinkyStonky #351 Posted 01 February 2018 - 02:30 PM

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From 1/1 to 28/1 your pictures claim 298 tier 10 games, which I think is exactly what I claimed.

Today's figures obviously exclude the 74 games you played on 1/2/3, so your number has dropped to 264.

 

Not sure the point you're trying to make ?  Just trolling ?

 

 



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You say with the 10vs10 we increased a lot the amount of our battle, while my screen prove that we played less than before. But yeah from our overall its a huge boost since the end of the campain beacause we didn't play t10 that much before beacause we still had fun and credit in tier 8,but now we are really tired of the defender meta so we prefer tier 10, less credit but a lot more fun, and the 10vs10 was a pain in the ***: less fun, less people on ts and stupid 5a-907 meta

StinkyStonky #353 Posted 01 February 2018 - 02:41 PM

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I can also see that since 15th November your clan made ~640,000 boxes and yet you only have 100k boxes left, so Serprotease's claim that

 

View PostSerprotease, on 01 February 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

We barely play Advance because we don't really need to play them. We have no real need for boxes 

 

is complete crap.  Mind you that's also the post where he claimed he/you were disbanding your clan.

 

 

I can also see that you personally have 180 Million silver.  That just goes to show the extent to which your SH seal clubbing breaks the silver economy.

 

Hopefully WG will take a look at that too. 



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View PostStinkyStonky, on 26 January 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

After nearly two weeks, here are my thoughts ...

 

15 months ago I left my first clan as they never played Strongholds.  There was no point.  It was just loss after loss.

H5 (in its total history) has played 3,850 Tier 6s, 2725 Tier 8s and just 66 Tier 10s.

 

The very first tier 10 Skirmish I ever played was 14 days ago, 15v15 a few days before this test started. 

 

15 months in H5 and we NEVER played Tier 10 Skirmishes, there was no appetite for it.

It has always been a struggle to get 15 players willing to play. 

It's a struggle to get players who have the tanks that are needed.

It's a struggle to get players who are good in those tanks.

It's a struggle to get FCs with experience or willing to suffer the losses required to learn.

It's a massive silver sink, especially as we don't have Tier 10 credit boosters.

It's demoralising getting a WR of below 20%.

 

In the 10 days of this test we have increased our Tier 10 SH count by  25.  That's a 60% increase.

 

It culminated with last night where we won 6 out of 10 battles and made 9500 boxes for a 6000 box profit.

 

So to WG ...

 

If you want T10 Skirmishes to be an exclusive mode for high stat clans, then go back to the old 15v15 and we'll stop playing.

 

If you've noticed that clans like H5 have started playing this mode for the first time and you want this to continue, then make this change permanent and please continue your efforts with these kinds of improvements.

Note that skill based MM is a pre-requisite for our continued participation.  All 10 teams we faced last night were of a similar standard to us and the 4 we lost, we lost because our opponents had better tactics, played well and exploited the mistakes we made ... NOT because they steam rolled us with an average of 1500 WN8 per player more than us.

 

 

Dude I have been in the HAVOC community in the past - want to know what the problem is? You let ANYONE join. They can say they will be active etc but they never play and you don't kick them till weeks or months later because you have inactive leadership or leadership who don't want to act. H5 is supposed to be the CW clan of your community and fyi CW season starts in a week and guess what its 15v15 and also guess what you won't play T10 because you don't have the clan activity to do it. Look at H3. The ENTIRE clan is dead because of the hierarchy in your community - they were not even a CW clan and they still did better than H5 - guess where those players are now? In their own clan. You don't have a problem with getting people to play because they don't want to play tier 10 - your problem is you let anyone in and don't take action when you need to. You lose players because you don't take action. 

 

I also love how you contradict yourself: 

It's a struggle to get FCs with experience or willing to suffer the losses required to learn.

It's demoralising getting a WR of below 20%.

 

I.E. QUITTERS.

 

Yet you have had skill based MM in SH in the last 28 days yet you still complain about losing vs top clans when in reality you just need to get better....

 

Division Battles for 28 days
X 34 (35.29%)
VIII 170 (44.12%)
VI 7 (28.57%)


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View PostStinkyStonky, on 01 February 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

I can also see that since 15th November your clan made ~640,000 boxes and yet you only have 100k boxes left, so Serprotease's claim that

 

 

is complete crap.  Mind you that's also the post where he claimed he/you were disbanding your clan.

 

 

I can also see that you personally have 180 Million silver.  That just goes to show the extent to which your SH seal clubbing breaks the silver economy.

 

Hopefully WG will take a look at that too. 

 

Apart from the fact that EARNING boxes is completely different from how they spend them. They make credit boost, xp boost etc etc - difference is they already have a fully upgraded SH (at least on buildings that actually matter)

 

Apart from the fact that you can earn thousands of credits on a loss and from randoms....dude your logic is utter shite


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View PostBlablaPaige, on 01 February 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

You say with the 10vs10 we increased a lot the amount of our battle, while my screen prove that we played less than before. 

Your screens don't show that at all.  WGs own page shows that you have ~1500 Tier 10 battles in the history of your clan.  January represents 20% of that.

You might be good at driving tanks but you're clearly rubbish at statistics

 

For Tier 6, 8 and Advances January represented ~3% of your historic total.

 

Your screens show that the past 2.5 months represent 1/3rd of all your Tier 10 battles, so January must be one of your highest battles months ever.



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Crap? We have 30 credits bonus in creation, the end will be on 6 february, we have tier 10: xp, credit, crew bonus that we don't use, some tier 11 and 12 bonus, and the holly tier 4 free xp bonus that we put for the lol (its all show on my screen on previous page)

 

My silver a problem? LoL, we are only 3 player in french (well 3 known) to have more than 100 million redits, I'm third, an other huge sh player is second at ~250 millions and the first is at +300 millions but he don't play in clan at all: only random battle but with AP-only.

 

Its like doing something against people who had more than 100k gold, again its a hate against people who have a good account-management / success

 

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View PostStinkyStonky, on 01 February 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

Your screens don't show that at all.  WGs own page shows that you have ~1500 Tier 10 battles in the history of your clan.  January represents 20% of that.

You might be good at driving tanks but you're clearly rubbish at statistics

 

For Tier 6, 8 and Advances January represented ~3% of your historic total.

 

 

 

 

Lol, before becoming NOOT in january 2017, the clan was nammed PNIK , and from September 2016 to January 2017, all tier cumulated, we were at 4000 battle/month, and I was at 2200 battle/month on that period, so no: January 2018 was not one of the most active month for the structure. From our reborn this summer, only August was a very active month.

I don't know the activity of PINK (and SGS before his renamme) before I joined, but it wasn't near has huge

 


Edited by BlablaPaige, 01 February 2018 - 02:55 PM.


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View PostStinkyStonky, on 01 February 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

I can also see that since 15th November your clan made ~640,000 boxes and yet you only have 100k boxes left, so Serprotease's claim that

 

 

is complete crap.  Mind you that's also the post where he claimed he/you were disbanding your clan.

 

 

I can also see that you personally have 180 Million silver.  That just goes to show the extent to which your SH seal clubbing breaks the silver economy.

 

Hopefully WG will take a look at that too. 

 

Of course, we played a lot so we made a lot of boxes, seams logic, nah ? Why should we not use our boxes to make bonuses ? Upgrading buildings is useless for us, we already have everything at is maximum (some of our building are not lvl 10 because it was not profitable to do).

As Blabla said, only a few french players have so much silver, this has nothing to do with sh "sealclubbing". (I "only" have 6M silver when I am very active in SH).
And no, we are not disbanding (otherwise, I had no reason to apply in this clan last week)

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StinkyStonky (Your name is seriously starting to trigger me)

 

Your complete despise for any1 better than yourself is showing. 

 

When you're better at the game your results become better. Should WG also introduce a penalty on XP earned by players with a 55%wr and above? just to even out the time it takes to grind a tank line? Naturally good players make more credits, 1) they win more 2) they do more dmg. If thats randoms or sh is completely besides the point. I too have clan members with 80m credits, cos they've played 1000's of sh's and randoms firing little to no prem ammo.

 

Atleast just show your true colours instead of beating around the bush. You are sick of losing that 1 in every 20th game you'd meet a "top clan" and you're doing everything you can to justify the changes. Changes that have hit good clans far far more than any other skill bracket. Theres a reason top clans are dying - SH's have become crapto play due to endless queue times.  



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View PostKingMarkQQ_TheToxicFak, on 01 February 2018 - 02:33 PM, said:

StinkyStonky (Your name is seriously starting to trigger me)

 

Your complete despise for any1 better than yourself is showing. 

 

When you're better at the game your results become better. Should WG also introduce a penalty on XP earned by players with a 55%wr and above? just to even out the time it takes to grind a tank line? Naturally good players make more credits, 1) they win more 2) they do more dmg. If thats randoms or sh is completely besides the point. I too have clan members with 80m credits, cos they've played 1000's of sh's and randoms firing little to no prem ammo.

 

Atleast just show your true colours instead of beating around the bush. You are sick of losing that 1 in every 20th game you'd meet a "top clan" and you're doing everything you can to justify the changes. Changes that have hit good clans far far more than any other skill bracket. Theres a reason top clans are dying - SH's have become crapto play due to endless queue times.  

 

Spent 5 mins in a queue 2 days ago for a T10 battle. 5 mins of credit boost wasted.....other battles took 30 secs, 2 mins, 1 min etc but even so the amount of time wasted....




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