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BP_OMowe #1 Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:03 AM

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Looks like it indeed will be released here, as it is played by the account "WoT_ELC90_24" as per replay below:

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4095799

 

Question remains if it will get adjusted into a viable tank or not.



Ziurawka #2 Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:06 AM

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I've got no clue how to adjust it, do you?

It's just a bad tank by design.



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View PostZiurawka, on 15 January 2018 - 11:06 PM, said:

I've got no clue how to adjust it, do you?

It's just a bad tank by design.

 

Buff the overall clip reload down to around 20 seconds and keep 3 round 220 alpha, or buff the alpha back to 240, change clip reload down to around 26 seconds. Or add 1 more shell and buff it to 240 and keep the clip reload as it is.

Edited by xx984, 16 January 2018 - 12:17 AM.


SandDanAdua #4 Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:23 AM

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The gun handling and 30 second reload is absolutely unplayable at tier 8 where you get two shot and some times one shot in paper tanks.

And this has what ? 15 armor LOL

Another proof WG don't know what they are doing when they design premium tanks.

380 view range on a tier 8 LT another good joke WG

While there is such a thing as binoculars in this game scouts can go f**k themselves.

One last thing, scouts are useless on 95% of maps.

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Edited by SandDanAdua, 16 January 2018 - 12:24 AM.


Balc0ra #5 Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:35 AM

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View PostBP_OMowe, on 16 January 2018 - 12:03 AM, said:

Looks like it indeed will be released here, as it is played by the account "WoT_ELC90_24" as per replay below:

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4095799

 

Question remains if it will get adjusted into a viable tank or not.

 

At this point? I doubt it. As those are review accounts I suspect. Not test accounts. So if it's getting here next week like on SEA. Then no.

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This post has been edited by the moderation team due to: inappropriate image.


Edited by Jahrakajin, 17 January 2018 - 04:25 PM.


ClassicFrog #7 Posted 16 January 2018 - 04:19 AM

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I don't suppose it's tiny size, and thus possibly very good camo, makes up for the limited firepower?

Cobra6 #8 Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:00 AM

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Unless they made this vehicle competitive by increasing it's stats to proper Tier 8 light tank material, so a minimum of 1600 DPM and proper gun handling, this thing will sell very little.

With the last known stats it's an atrocious light tank, probably one of the worst high tier light tanks in the game *AND* you have to pay money for the privilege as well.

 

View PostClassicFrog, on 16 January 2018 - 03:19 AM, said:

I don't suppose it's tiny size, and thus possibly very good camo, makes up for the limited firepower?

 

Of course it doesn't, if it was tier 6 or 7 yes it would go a long way but this is a tier 8 tank in tier 10 matches where everyone and their dog is at max viewrange so your camo means very little. It's better to have proper firepower in high tiers than it is to have camo.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 16 January 2018 - 08:01 AM.


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I'd still buy it simply cause it reminds me of Johnny 5

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View PostZiurawka, on 15 January 2018 - 11:06 PM, said:

I've got no clue how to adjust it, do you?

It's just a bad tank by design.

 

Reload 29s > 17 - 18s

Aim time 2.78s > 2s

Dispersion 0.18/0.18/0.15 > 0.12/0.12/0.10

Alpha 220 > 240

HP 900 > 1100

Penetration 175 > 190

APCR Pentration 215 > 235 

View Range 380 > 390

 

I'd then at the same time or at least for the next patch make the following changes to the Bat Chat 12t. 

 

Reload 19.58s > 15s.

Penetration 170 > 190

APCR penetration 210 > 230

Dispersion 0.13/0.13/0.10 > 0.12/0.12/0.10

Aim time 2.21s > 2s

HP 1000 > 1100

View Range 380 > 400

 

And I'd start making similar changes to the other tier 8 lights, buffing HP, penetration, premium penetration, DPM and view ranges etc. 

 

On the Asia server there is a competition that has been announced where you can win early access to a new tier 8 premium that is coming out, so presumably this is it.

 

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 Plus, if you emerge top in this tournament, you could be one of the first in Asia to own a brand-new mystery Tier VIII Premium tankahead of its official release next week (stay tuned to discover the identity of this tank)!

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2018/01/15/new-tier-8-premium-tank-coming-out-next-week/

 

You'd think they would want to adjust it, especially as apparently they were disappointed with the Mauerbrecker sales according to the TAP 

 

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  • New prem tanks sales figures weren’t leaked, but WG isn’t happy about the Mauerbrecher selling so bad

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2018/01/14/wot-insider-info-14-01-2018/#more-62224

 

 


Edited by tajj7, 16 January 2018 - 10:23 AM.


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Maybe if they had removed the stupid cupola on the Mauerbrecher it would have sold better. Currently the Mauerbrecher is one retarded tank to play. It's slow, has a mediocre gun and has three frontal weak spots. It's obviously not easy to hit these weak spots from a distance, but this Mauerbrecher is supposed to be a "insert gun in face". But with the cupola, gun machine port on the right side and the lower plate as weak spots it's just not balanced anymore but straight up underpowered.

 

Wargaming went from one extrem to a slightly more balanced variant which is a tad bit underpowered. Removing cupola will make it a much more attractive tank.

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As a reference, here's the defender with it's frontal weak spots in an optimal situation.

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Let's just add a disclaimer. The Mauerbrecher definitely isn't utterly bad. The current meta just doesn't have a place for that tank. While the defender only has one reliable weak spot the Mauerbrecher has 3 weak spots. What is wargaming doing? They should definitely stop doing drugs while they are designing tanks.



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View PostClassicFrog, on 16 January 2018 - 04:19 AM, said:

I don't suppose it's tiny size, and thus possibly very good camo, makes up for the limited firepower?

 

It did for the E25... as it had ROF and low aim time. Not gonna work here with that long reload and aim time combo etc.

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View PostArchaean, on 16 January 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

Maybe if they had removed the stupid cupola on the Mauerbrecher it would have sold better. Currently the Mauerbrecher is one retarded tank to play. It's slow, has a mediocre gun and has three frontal weak spots. It's obviously not easy to hit these weak spots from a distance, but this Mauerbrecher is supposed to be a "insert gun in face". But with the cupola, gun machine port on the right side and the lower plate as weak spots it's just not balanced anymore but straight up underpowered.

 

Wargaming went from one extrem to a slightly more balanced variant which is a tad bit underpowered. Removing cupola will make it a much more attractive tank.

Spoiler

 

As a reference, here's the defender with it's frontal weak spots in an optimal situation.

Spoiler

 

Let's just add a disclaimer. The Mauerbrecher definitely isn't utterly bad. The current meta just doesn't have a place for that tank. While the defender only has one reliable weak spot the Mauerbrecher has 3 weak spots. What is wargaming doing? They should definitely stop doing drugs while they are designing tanks.

 

The weakspots are not the issue with the Mauerbrecker, the side armour inside the front tracks could be fixed but a super heavy with weakspots is fine. It's still bouncing over 40% of shots.

 

The issue is the VK, it's OP and has no real weakspots, whilst the Mauerbrecker literally has nothing over it, so you have this 40 Euro super heavy that people buy, then they go face a VK 1001P that people can get for free and the Mauerbrecker player is not able to pen the free tank whilst the VK can easily pepper his weakspots.

 

Weakspots is fine, they should have given the Mauerbrecker more stuff over the VK 1001 P so it's not a straight up worse version.  Like it could easily have 1900 HP for example, or even 2000, maybe they could have given the gun 490 alpha. Then it would have some advantages over the VK. 



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View Postxx984, on 15 January 2018 - 11:16 PM, said:

 

Buff the overall clip reload down to around 20 seconds and keep 3 round 220 alpha, or buff the alpha back to 240, change clip reload down to around 26 seconds. Or add 1 more shell and buff it to 240 and keep the clip reload as it is.

 

Gun handling is s*** . It would need improvements too.

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View PostKharlos76, on 16 January 2018 - 12:05 PM, said:

 

Gun handling is s*** . It would need improvements too.

 

When I saw QB's video the gun handling looked like the old ELC AMX at tier 5 lolll.

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View Postanother_Ghost_Shell, on 16 January 2018 - 11:10 AM, said:

 

When I saw QB's video the gun handling looked like the old ELC AMX at tier 5 lolll.

 

Which WG should be aware of, over 250k people have watched his video on the Mauerbrecker, that is a lot of potential premium buyers, especially on EU/NA and he basically said the Mauerbrecker was poor, Mauerbrecker sales were then poor.

 

Over 200k have already watched his preview on the ELC 90 where he said it was the worst tier 8 premium he has every played.

 

I'd imagine most Russian youtubers and other EU youtubers that get preview access to it will have similar opinions so if they want it to sell they desperately need to buff it cos I reckon a lot of people who buy premiums make up their minds from those CC preview videos. 



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View PostSandDanAdua, on 16 January 2018 - 12:23 AM, said:

The gun handling and 30 second reload is absolutely unplayable at tier 8 where you get two shot and some times one shot in paper tanks.

And this has what ? 15 armor LOL

Another proof WG don't know what they are doing when they design premium tanks.

380 view range on a tier 8 LT another good joke WG

While there is such a thing as binoculars in this game scouts can go f**k themselves.

One last thing, scouts are useless on 95% of maps.

/rant out

 

View range is not a problem. LTTB has 380 and it has no problems spotting. This thing has amazing camo so it can get pretty close. Also scouts aren't useless on 95% of the maps. 

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The funny thing is mauerbrecher is fairly well balanced t8 heavy (could use buff to the side armor below tracks, from 60 to 100 and something like 1900 HP, then it would be just about right imo), but obviously the problem is there exist monstrosities like vk1001 which is just broken op as [edited]and a regular tech tree tank and then craplike defender which is better at literally everything. So obviously no one wants to buy something that isnt better than already existing stuff.

 

And the ELC even... that tank is just sad, its worse than all the t7 lights as far as i can tell (meaning id rather play the t7 lights with t8 mm than play elc even with t7 mm). Maybe WG are just afraid of lots of people buying a tank with semi-broken camo (but then again the camo would only be broken from the point of view of the "is-7 steve driver" and on 3 maps in the game) if the tank itself was any good. So they might on purpose sell it like this to make sure theres maybe a few thousands of them at maximum, and then buff the tank significantly afterwards. (but who are we kidding, the average WG significant buff to a light tank would probably end up being buffing dispersions by 10% and reload by 15% and thats it, meaning the tank would still be at best a t7 in terms of performance.



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View Posttajj7, on 16 January 2018 - 10:20 AM, said:

I'd then at the same time or at least for the next patch make the following changes to the Bat Chat 12t. 

 

Reload 19.58s > 15s.

Penetration 170 > 190

APCR penetration 210 > 230

Dispersion 0.13/0.13/0.10 > 0.12/0.12/0.10

Aim time 2.21s > 2s

HP 1000 > 1100

View Range 380 > 400

 

I dunno, man... For some reason I really like B-C 12t. I think what you are suggesting is a bit over the top, just the reload change to 15s would be a huge buff.

 



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View Posttajj7, on 16 January 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

The weakspots are not the issue with the Mauerbrecker, the side armour inside the front tracks could be fixed but a super heavy with weakspots is fine. It's still bouncing over 40% of shots.

 

The issue is the VK, it's OP and has no real weakspots, whilst the Mauerbrecker literally has nothing over it, so you have this 40 Euro super heavy that people buy, then they go face a VK 1001P that people can get for free and the Mauerbrecker player is not able to pen the free tank whilst the VK can easily pepper his weakspots.

 

Weakspots is fine, they should have given the Mauerbrecker more stuff over the VK 1001 P so it's not a straight up worse version.  Like it could easily have 1900 HP for example, or even 2000, maybe they could have given the gun 490 alpha. Then it would have some advantages over the VK. 

 

But premium tanks should actually be a slightly worse version than the "origional" in the game. Well, lately that wasn't th case anymore.




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