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Wayward_Current #1 Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:30 AM

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In about 70 % of my battles ...playing tanks of tier VII and VIII  I am getting battles in which my tank is -2 tier. (my tank VII- top tier tanks IX, or my tank VIII-top tier tanks X)

 

In around 20 % cases I am middle tier.(my tank VII, top tier VIII, or my tank VIII, top tier IX)

 

And In around 1/10 games, no more than 10% I am top tier.(Tier VII game my tank VII, Tier VIII game my tank VIII)

 

I think that means I am personally disfavoured by something or someone, MM somehow makes someone else to get Top tier MM taking this right from me.

 

Its impossible everyone gets this same MM disposition as I because if every player in tank tier VII or VIII would in 70% battles be -2 tier as I,  there would be no enough Top tiers.

 

You think I am stupid but think about it...its mathemathics.

 

Someone is getting my right to be Top tier by some mechanism I can not understand.

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by _Poe, 16 January 2018 - 11:51 AM.


Kozzy #2 Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:38 AM

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The problem is explained by simple maths and WG using 3/5/7 as the primary template.  For every 3 players that are top tier the matchmaker needs to find 12 players who aren't top tier.  Add into the mix that T10 cannot be bottom in 3/5/7 or 5/10 and things get worse the closer you get to T10.

Xqual #3 Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:38 AM

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They should just reverse the MM from 3-5-7 to 7-5-3.

Right now them 3 toptiers are having a blast preying on the remaining 12 tanks.



Noo_Noo #4 Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:42 AM

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Same for everyone I'm afraid. 

 

Its largely a consequence of Tier 8 being the most played tier and the 3-5-7 template being the favoured game make up.



Jigabachi #5 Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:44 AM

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View Post_Poe, on 16 January 2018 - 11:30 AM, said:

You think I am stupid but think about it...its mathemathics.

 

Someone is getting my right to be Top tier by some mechanism I can not understand.

1. Check the distribution of players in the queue.

2. Check the MM template, e.g. 3-5-7.

3. ??? 

4. Profit.

 



Laur_Balaur_XD #6 Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:45 AM

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View Post_Poe, on 16 January 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

 

Its impossible everyone gets this same MM disposition as I because if every player in tank tier VII or VIII would in 70% battles be -2 tier as I,  there would be no enough Top tiers.

 

You think I am stupid but think about it...its mathemathics.

 

Someone is getting my right to be Top tier by some mechanism I can not understand.

 

 

Did you ever heard of 3-5-7 MM ???

 



Balc0ra #7 Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:47 AM

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If all games were +2, then sure. But they are not. There are others that do 5-10 or equal tier games instead. Mix that with your tier population and class etc. You might get screwed more then others some days.

Mimos_A #8 Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:51 AM

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You're so bad at maths it's not even funny anymore.

 

If you take into account that there's 7 -2 places but only 3 top tier spots, the probability changes a lot, especially when taking popularity of some tiers into account. And then there's also 5/10 matches and single tier matches.

 

But you are right, you are personally disfavoured by me from now on for being less intelligent than the average shrimp.



ricoBenitez1 #9 Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:57 AM

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I guess you did not try the old +-5 MM so your whine is wastet

iztok #10 Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:04 PM

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I think that means I am personally disfavoured by something or someone, MM somehow makes someone else to get Top tier MM taking this right from me

 

Maybe because of this: http://forum.worldof...s-data-request/


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Wayward_Current #11 Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:06 PM

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If someone is able to influence  MM by looking  for the subtleties in server queue, change tank tier  or tank type accordingly to  rise the chance of getting more favorable-per tier  MM,than its cheating and injustice.Built-in mechanism fault that is officially granted to people who have knowledge ,experience,time and motive to exploit it.

MM should be like dice game,which means pure chance and pure luck,which in long term equals.

This MM system is not totaly random and user-independent,it enables exploit that hurts the most those people who actually want just to play and wrongfuly(blindly)believe in democratic law of randomnes.


Edited by _Poe, 16 January 2018 - 12:13 PM.


Noo_Noo #12 Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:12 PM

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View Post_Poe, on 16 January 2018 - 12:06 PM, said:

If I am able to influence my MM by looking  for the subtleties in server queue, and/or change tank tier  or tank type I play  accordingly to  rise the chance of getting more favorable-per tier  MM,than its cheating mechanism fault that is officially granted to people who have knowiedge ,experience,time and motive to exploit it.

MM should be like dice game,which means pure chance and pure luck,which in long term equals.

This MM systems is not totaly Random and user-independent,it enables exploit.

 

It is a dice game but the probability is heavily skewed towards being in -2MM most of the time. 

 

Look at it this way.

 

For every game the MM system picks players at random.

In every game you have a 7/15 chance of being being bottom tier, you have a 5/15 chance of being middle and 3/15 chance of being top tier. 

 

Now this is very simplistic as it ignores player queues, 5-10 games and single tier games. But basically even in this simple model you will only be top tier 1 out of every 5 games. Throw in 5-10 games and single tier games and your odds fall even further. Perhaps down to 1 in 10 or whatever peoples observations are.

 



Laur_Balaur_XD #13 Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:13 PM

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View Post_Poe, on 16 January 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

If I am able to influence my MM by looking  for the subtleties in server queue, and/or change tank tier  or tank type I play  accordingly to  rise the chance of getting more favorable-per tier  MM,than its cheating mechanism fault that is officially granted to people who have knowiedge ,experience,time and motive to exploit it.

MM should be like dice game,which means pure chance and pure luck,which in long term equals.

This MM system is not totaly random and user-independent,it enables exploit that hurts the most those people who actually want just to okay and wrongfuly(blindly)believe in democratic law of randomnes.

 

Let me get this straight: you think that some players can influence the MM, by doing some kind of voodoo rituals in garage, changing tanks and clicking on battle button while sitting upside down on the chair?? 

 

 



HM_Kaiser #14 Posted 16 January 2018 - 02:49 PM

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In the battle queue we can see the amount of heavies, meds, TD .... a nice thing would be to see the tiers waiting in queue, too.

commer #15 Posted 16 January 2018 - 02:54 PM

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3/5/7 means you will be top less. Also :  https://en.wikipedia...nfirmation_bias

MaxxyNL #16 Posted 16 January 2018 - 02:55 PM

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View Post_Poe, on 16 January 2018 - 11:30 AM, said:

Someone is getting my right to be Top tier

 

:facepalm:



Xqual #17 Posted 16 January 2018 - 03:12 PM

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View PostIulian_ro, on 16 January 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

 

Let me get this straight: you think that some players can influence the MM, by doing some kind of voodoo rituals in garage, changing tanks and clicking on battle button while sitting upside down on the chair?? 

 

 

 

You can! Its true. But you have to swing a cat 3 times over your head while you sit upside down on your chair.

I have tested it. I became not only toptier, i was the only tier8 in a tier4 battle. 42 times in a row.

I swear it is all true. Sadly i emptied my replayfolder, but it really did happen.



HM_Kaiser #18 Posted 16 January 2018 - 03:23 PM

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A thing that (sometimes) works is switching servers, to meet (possibly) different kind of population. Or not.

Laur_Balaur_XD #19 Posted 16 January 2018 - 03:36 PM

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View PostXqual, on 16 January 2018 - 02:12 PM, said:

 

You can! Its true. But you have to swing a cat 3 times over your head while you sit upside down on your chair.

I have tested it. I became not only toptier, i was the only tier8 in a tier4 battle. 42 times in a row.

I swear it is all true. Sadly i emptied my replayfolder, but it really did happen.

 

The cat after being swinged over (under?) your head 126 times :teethhappy:

 



__anarky__ #20 Posted 16 January 2018 - 03:41 PM

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MM really sux now....




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