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antraxx267 #1 Posted 16 January 2018 - 06:35 PM

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I dont know if its just me, but when i play with  T110E5 i'm getting penetrated to totaly retarded spots such as gun mantlet and edges under it. Even with 250mm pen. guns.

So i'd like to ask you if you have similar problems or i'm just missing something? 

Here's photo as example:

shot_023.jpg



ScottishJunky #2 Posted 16 January 2018 - 06:56 PM

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Gold, HEAT.

 

Sadly the T110E5 armor isn't as great as it used to be and nowadays people like to fire a lot of HEAT and Apcr.

Still a great tank but I'd say overall bad RNG and HEAT



Dava_117 #3 Posted 16 January 2018 - 06:57 PM

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View Postantraxx267, on 16 January 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

I dont know if its just me, but when i play with  T110E5 i'm getting penetrated to totaly retarded spots such as gun mantlet and edges under it. Even with 250mm pen. guns.

So i'd like to ask you if you have similar problems or i'm just missing something? 

Here's photo as example:

shot_023.jpg

 

Happens in lots of tanks.

In this particular case the lucky shooter hit your primary armour just close to the mantlet, where is 203mm thick and almost flat. Even an IS-3 may have chance to pen there.

 

Edit

As an example, in old LQ ST-I, the armour around the mantlet was just 250mm (now is 270-300) so every tier 10 and most of tier 9 had the chance to LOL pen you there.


Edited by Dava_117, 16 January 2018 - 06:59 PM.


Sfinski #4 Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:12 PM

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Check the model on Tanks.gg. Possible pen.

Tidal_Force #5 Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:06 PM

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Enable full hit log. It shows if you were hit with HEAT, APCR or AP.

gunslingerXXX #6 Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:23 PM

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View PostSfinski, on 16 January 2018 - 07:12 PM, said:

Check the model on Tanks.gg. Possible pen.

 

he's not complaining that it's not possible. His point is that on that location it should not be possible in the sense that the armour should be better.

For what its worth I agree with OP. The cupola weakspot is large enough already. If I want to get shot in the face constantly I will get a tiger :trollface:



Enforcer1975 #7 Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:30 PM

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View PostgunslingerXXX, on 16 January 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

 

he's not complaining that it's not possible. His point is that on that location it should not be possible in the sense that the armour should be better.

For what its worth I agree with OP. The cupola weakspot is large enough already. If I want to get shot in the face constantly I will get a tiger :trollface:

 

If the guy who did that shot wouldn't have been so lucky he would either have hit the mantlet or the turret cheek further to the left and bounced in which case OP wouldn't have opened a thread complaining about it. Looking at damage blocked he already bounced a lot of shots so a lucky one every now and then is normal.

Edited by Enforcer1975, 16 January 2018 - 09:30 PM.


TheOneAboveAII #8 Posted 17 January 2018 - 01:43 AM

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You got hit right on the very edge of the front of the turret...where it is not covered by the mantlet so the effective armour on the tiny strip of armour ranges from 210mm to 240mm...hit 1 pixel left or right and it would bounce.

Edited by TheOneAboveAII, 17 January 2018 - 01:43 AM.


pouriya77 #9 Posted 17 January 2018 - 05:39 AM

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Hi Unfortunately, this tank suffers from many weaknesses.Low hp,copula tumor,low top speed and poor reverse speed,very weak and big lower plate,poor alpha damage,very weak side and rear armor that receive too much damage and Etc.i offer flat armor because its improve condition of tank Somewhat.

please take part in my topic in remodel t110E5 flat armor  http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/658573-remodel-t110e5-flat-armor/page__hl__%2Bt110e5__fromsearch__1

 



ScottishJunky #10 Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:13 AM

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View Postpouriya77, on 17 January 2018 - 05:39 AM, said:

Hi Unfortunately, this tank suffers from many weaknesses.Low hp,copula tumor,low top speed and poor reverse speed,very weak and big lower plate,poor alpha damage,very weak side and rear armor that receive too much damage and Etc.i offer flat armor because its improve condition of tank Somewhat.

please take part in my topic in remodel t110E5 flat armor  http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/658573-remodel-t110e5-flat-armor/page__hl__%2Bt110e5__fromsearch__1

 

 

 

Really? I thought you said you stopped.



Cobra6 #11 Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:30 AM

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It's exactly how Wargaming wants it to be, everyone spamming gold all day every day especially in tier 10 battles.

 

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STLR #12 Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:34 AM

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View Postantraxx267, on 16 January 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

I dont know if its just me, but when i play with  T110E5 i'm getting penetrated to totaly retarded spots such as gun mantlet and edges under it. Even with 250mm pen. guns.

So i'd like to ask you if you have similar problems or i'm just missing something? 

Here's photo as example:

shot_023.jpg

 

All hail to Type 5 Heavy.  I strongly believe type is more broken than E5 used to be..

pouriya77 #13 Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:40 AM

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View PostScottishJunky, on 17 January 2018 - 08:13 AM, said:

 

 

Really? I thought you said you stopped.

My friend i said,but this page is topic about E5 and i can post about t110E5 and it is not spam.we must learn to respect to each other.



tajj7 #14 Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:51 AM

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As others have said above there are small strips either side of the gun mantlet where the armour is only around 200 - 220 effective, if someone hits those few pixels they will pen.

 

It's just bad RNG, no one competent would ever try to aim at those spots but bobs will do panic shots and get rewarded, sadly it's the nature of the game. 

 

Really they shouldn't be there, they should get rid of all these silly gun mantlet weakspots, it's like hitting the very flat part of the Conqueror gun mantlet pens, cos reasons. Real life these shots would bounce but I don't think WG models the size of the projectile properly and it only needs a tiny section to hit these areas to register as a pen. 



leggasiini #15 Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:53 AM

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View PostSTLR, on 17 January 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

 

I strongly believe type is more broken than E5 used to be..

Easily, Type 5 is much worse tank in many ways than the pre-nerf E5

 

The pre-nerf E5 was bit OP indeed, but that was partially because the tier 10 as whole was on much lower powerlevel than it currently is. Super Conqueror is overall a flat out stronger tank than the prenerf E5. Super Conq is basically old E5 with cheese LFP but much better side, significantly better gun stats, more health, more depression, better turret and has no proper cupola at all (at least you could still easily gold spam the cupola of the prenerf E5).

 

With this ridiculous powercreep going on, I honestly feel like that if they would as well have the E5 left completely unnerfed, it wouldn't be even that good anymore.


Edited by leggasiini, 17 January 2018 - 09:54 AM.


Toni112007 #16 Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:57 AM

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RNG. Yesterday I penetrated WZ 111-5A hulldown in turret face with AP from Jagdpanzer e100 for a 1100 damage.

BlackNitro #17 Posted 19 February 2018 - 10:39 PM

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E5 must be deleted. WG made a funny joke with that tank. Is the worst armour from tier 9 and 10. Even some tier 8 have better armour. Nerf a tank I understand but piss on it is just so unfair. Fighting vs E5 with gold ammo is just stupid or aiming it cupola, because u can just autoaim it and shoot with any light tank .

Rod_75 #18 Posted 20 February 2018 - 05:04 AM

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You are right.. Actually E5 underperforms.
I used it to achieve some HT missions the past year. And now it is useless (almost).

It has anyway good points, like gun and depression. In the actual meta is a very slow medium with bad dpm.

And yes, you see very few E5 on the battlefield.
And you know the reasons.




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