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fighting_falcon93 #1 Posted 16 January 2018 - 06:57 PM

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Please don't move the Obj.263 to tier 9!

 

If you think that Obj.263 is consistent enough to sit on tier 9, I say it's total bullcrap that it needs to be moved in the first place. If you think that Obj.263 is too weak for tier 10, then buff it, but keep it at tier 10 and stop removing variety from the game!

 

Why can't you add the Obj.268V4 as an additional tier 10 TD instead?

 

Moving Obj.263 to tier 9 is a very, very bad change, mainly because:

 

  • Obj.263 is a unique vehicle of its class in tier 10 games. Not only does it offer unique gameplay compared to other tier 10 TDs, out of 11 TD branches currently in the game, only 4 of them has a tier 10 TD with an alpha below 600 damage. And with this change you want to change that 4 into a 3.
  • Obj.263 fits into the branch perfectly. It has low alpha compared to other TDs, just like the other tanks in the branch. It has good mobility and a rear mounted gun with bad gun depression, just like the other tanks in the branch. You even want to keep Obj.263 yourself in the branch, isn't that proof enough that the vehicle fits the branch? So why move it to tier 9? You started by removing tanks that didn't fit in other branches, now it seems you're editing branches left and right just because you can.
  • Obj.263 costs 692'710 xp to unlock, if we count the xp all the way from the start of the branch. Do you have atleast an idea of the amount of time a player has to put in to grind all that xp? And those players that decide which branch they want to grind depending on the tier 10, which tank do you think they wanted when they started the grind? Exactly, they wanted the Obj.263, not something else.

 

Let's see what you want this line to become:

 

Update 9.22 Preview—USSR Tree Revision

  • High forward and backward mobility combined with medium maneuverability, which lets them quickly reach and occupy key positions and retreat back to safety
  • Good frontal armor to deflect enemy shells, but weak side armor and lower front plates
  • Average damage per shot with a high reload time to compensate for mobility and protection
  • Accuracy and aiming time balanced to make them effective at short-to-medium range, but also reduce their effectiveness at long range
  • Poor elevation angles due to historical design

 

What you described above is exactly what the Obj.263 is, except it has a better gun. So you want to "fix" an unpopular line by making it even worse? Hello?!?!?!

 

Players have made it very clear that this is not what they want. Take a look in this thread at the Russian forum. That's currently 91 pages of discussion where players are very unhappy with this change. Take a look at this other thread at the Russian forum. That's currently 12 pages of discussion where players also are very unhappy with this change. Take a look around on your own European forum, how happy does players seem about this change? WG, if you proceed with this change, never ever dare to say that you listen to your players feedback again.

 

Instead, I have 2 other suggestions for you:

 

 

 

WG, you say that you listen to our feedback. Now is the time to prove that!

 

 

If you agree that Obj.263 should remain at tier 10 with either its current stats or buffed stats, please repost the image above to show your support. Don't forget how WG wanted to destroy the BatChat branch, and now they want to do it again with the Obj.263 branch. We managed to stop them then, and if we protest loud enough, we might be able to stop them again.

 

#KeepObj263AtTier10 :izmena: :izmena: :izmena:


Edited by fighting_falcon93, 19 January 2018 - 12:11 PM.


Erwin_Von_Braun #2 Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:13 PM

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Good luck with that.

 



leggasiini #3 Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:23 PM

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I agree, but why even bother anymore - Russians had TONS of topics about the 263 line changes and how they were bad, made the original supertest topic like 70-80 page long rant thread, and spammed it in their signatures, and WG listens to RU way more than they listen to EU, and then said that they are not gonna implement - but even still they decided to implement either way because "it performed well on supertest".

 

Eh.


Edited by leggasiini, 16 January 2018 - 07:25 PM.


fighting_falcon93 #4 Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:29 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 16 January 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

I agree, but why even bother anymore

 

Yeah, but we can't give up yet. We need to make one last try when they create the feedback topics from public test :izmena:



Velvet_Underground #5 Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:40 PM

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Reeks of grind bait to me. This is one of the very reasons I migrated back to games without such a business model..

TsundereWaffle #6 Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:42 PM

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WG is too retarded for this though...

leggasiini #7 Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:43 PM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 16 January 2018 - 08:29 PM, said:

 

Yeah, but we can't give up yet. We need to make one last try when they create the feedback topics from public test :izmena:

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ValkyrionX #8 Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:46 PM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 16 January 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

 

Please don't move the Obj.263 to tier 9!

 

If you think that Obj.263 is consistent enough to sit on tier 9, I say it's total bullcrap that it needs to be moved in the first place. If you think that Obj.263 is too weak for tier 10, then buff it, but keep it at tier 10 and stop removing variety from the game!

 

Why can't you add the Obj.268V4 as an additional tier 10 TD instead?

 

Moving Obj.263 to tier 9 is a very, very bad change, mainly because:

 

  • Obj.263 is a unique vehicle of its class in tier 10 games. Not only does it offer unique gameplay compared to other tier 10 TDs, out of 11 TD branches currently in the game, only 4 of them has a tier 10 TD with an alpha below 600 damage. And with this change you want to change that 4 into a 3.
  • Obj.263 fits into the branch perfectly. It has low alpha compared to other TDs, just like the other tanks in the branch. It has good mobility and a rear mounted gun with bad gun depression, just like the other tanks in the branch. You even want to keep Obj.263 yourself in the branch, isn't that proof enough that the vehicle fits the branch? So why move it to tier 9? You started by removing tanks that didn't fit in other branches, now it seems you're editing branches left and right just because you can.
  • Obj.263 costs 692'710 xp to unlock, if we count the xp all the way from the start of the branch. Do you have atleast an idea of the amount of time a player has to put in to grind all that xp? And those players that decide which branch they want to grind depending on the tier 10, which tank do you think they wanted when they started the grind? Exactly, they wanted the Obj.263, not something else.

 

Let's see what you want this line to become:

 

 

What you described above is exactly what the Obj.263 is, except it has a better gun. So you want to "fix" an unpopular line by making it even worse? Hello?!?!?!

 

Players have made it very clear that this is not what they want. Take a look in this thread at the Russian forum. That's currently 91 pages of discussion where players are very unhappy with this change. Take a look at this other thread at the Russian forum. That's currently 12 pages of discussion where players also are very unhappy with this change. Take a look around on your own European forum, how happy does players seem about this change? WG, if you proceed with this change, never ever dare to say that you listen to your players feedback again.

 

Instead, I have another suggestion for you:

 

 

WG, you say that you listen to our feedback. Now is the time to prove that!

 

 

If you agree that Obj.263 should remain at tier 10 with either its current stats or buffed stats, please repost the image above to show your support. Don't forget how WG wanted to destroy the BatChat branch, and now they want to do it again with the Obj.263 branch. We managed to stop them then, and if we protest loud enough, we might be able to stop them again.

 

#KeepObj263AtTier10 :izmena: :izmena: :izmena:

 

i hope the will not remove the 263 as tier X , your imaginary tech tree is very cool ..and obviusly more realistic 

fighting_falcon93 #9 Posted 17 January 2018 - 01:37 PM

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View PostVelvet_Underground, on 16 January 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

Reeks of grind bait to me. This is one of the very reasons I migrated back to games without such a business model..

 

Well it works quite ok when the developers don't tend to tweak the branches all the time :P

 

IMHO they should put more thought into each branch at the start and then leave it as it's. Buffs/nerfs are ofc ok, but not swapping out entire tanks :sceptic:



Silverpilen_CZ #10 Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:54 PM

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Hi fighting_falcon93

 

I made final decisions how to leave Object 263 at tier 10 without many changes.

The best way I see it is your way mentioned here:

SU-100 --> SU-100M1 --> SU-101 --> Object 262 --> Object 263

 

The SU-122-54 could have it's own branch like this:

SU-100 --> ISU-122S --> ISU-122-1 --> ISU-122-3 --> SU-122-54

  

Object 268/4 could be alternative to Object 268 with path from Object 704, so players could choose, which way they want to go:

Object 704 --> Object 268

                  --> Object 268/4

Soviet TD's tech tree.png
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Edited by Silverpilen_CZ, 20 January 2018 - 07:35 PM.


Firebrande #11 Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:37 AM

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Unable to get into CT yet as Avast reports a bug!

 

However, Have dealt with this change now.....in the end it was really easy

 

Sold the SU101, the changes are awful to this special and fun to play tank

 

Sold the SU-122-54, I don't want a 263 degraded, nor do I want the Object 268 v4 with poor DPM and accuracy. Only repurchased the SU-122-54 in case something good was coming, WG is correct it is bad as is! It needed to be buffed not replaced.....

 

Result, a dead line that is not worthwhile, WG changes on this line has encouraged me to forget it and use the much better TD's elsewhere...

 

That said, loving the MT and HT changes..........I think?! (Object 430u and Object 257)

 

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fighting_falcon93 #12 Posted 25 January 2018 - 05:23 PM

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Can I please ask all of you that wish to keep Obj.263 as it was (or buffed) on tier 10 to make your voice heard in the thread over here:izmena:

 

 

#KeepObj263AtTier10



Aikl #13 Posted 25 January 2018 - 05:27 PM

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(The text means 'NO!'. Quality OC repost from yours truly, made with real Photoshop for once.)



MaxxyNL #14 Posted 25 January 2018 - 05:30 PM

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Dream on, because it won't happen. :bush:

Dava_117 #15 Posted 25 January 2018 - 05:31 PM

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Keep Obj. 263.

The new TD is brocken and USSR already have a line of assault gun.

Keep 263 to tier 10, at most buff it a bit and give some love to 268 line! How can you be in the first line if you turn worst than an air carrier?



fighting_falcon93 #16 Posted 25 January 2018 - 05:33 PM

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View PostMaxxyNL, on 25 January 2018 - 05:30 PM, said:

Dream on, because it won't happen. :bush:

 

Nice attitude :great: Just like those players that shout "LOST!" because their XVM told them so :facepalm:

arthurwellsley #17 Posted 25 January 2018 - 05:35 PM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 25 January 2018 - 04:23 PM, said:

Can I please ask all of you that wish to keep Obj.263 as it was (or buffed) on tier 10 to make your voice heard in the thread over here:izmena:

 

 

#KeepObj263AtTier10

 

View PostAikl, on 25 January 2018 - 04:27 PM, said:

 

 

 

Double meme picture to emphasize keep the Object 263 as a tier X.

Hechaton #18 Posted 28 January 2018 - 10:29 PM

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too little, too late my friend

imendars #19 Posted 29 January 2018 - 11:40 AM

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Hi all.

I dont want to end up gang banged, but i dont play that tank and i fail to see the problem.

Its mooved to tier 9 and new tier 10 comes.

So what? :sceptic:

You dont like old x10 nerfs as it comes to x9?

Or just the fact that its no longer in x10 or both?

Or there is something else i fail to see?

 

Just curious.



Igor_BL #20 Posted 29 January 2018 - 11:48 AM

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current 263 is great

new 263 tier9 is crap.

tier 10 is stupid premium ammo meta tank, also stupid






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