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topfox #1 Posted 17 January 2018 - 01:40 AM

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Why its so damn difficult help team member instead camping behind him nearest rock or then vanished as a f..t in the Sahara and to protect their own skin preferentially. If you ask help really there is also choice that they answer stfu or noob ext.

 

​Totally strange behavior nowdays. Is it really forbidden to help or are people so indifferent when their own statuses need to be restored?



Homer_J #2 Posted 17 January 2018 - 01:59 AM

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It's usually a bad idea to try and help someone who has run off on their own because they will die before you get there and then you will also be alone.

 

But that's nothing new.


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TEMELJNI #3 Posted 17 January 2018 - 02:37 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 January 2018 - 01:59 AM, said:

It's usually a bad idea to try and help someone who has run off on their own because they will die before you get there and then you will also be alone.

 

But that's nothing new.

 

If someone has an idea of abusing certain position, enemy team composition, dpm, armor, speed, viewrange or just the effect of surprise, you might as well fcking join the parade and take a risk.

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Homer_J #5 Posted 17 January 2018 - 03:56 AM

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View PostTEMELJNI, on 17 January 2018 - 01:37 AM, said:

 

If someone has an idea of abusing certain position, enemy team composition, dpm, armor, speed, viewrange or just the effect of surprise, you might as well fcking join the parade and take a risk.

 

I've tried them all over the last seven and a bit years, and wandering off in ones and twos, no matter how fantastic the plan sounds in your head, does not work.

TEMELJNI #6 Posted 17 January 2018 - 04:27 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 January 2018 - 03:56 AM, said:

 

I've tried them all over the last seven and a bit years, and wandering off in ones and twos, no matter how fantastic the plan sounds in your head, does not work.

success is not guaranteed fun and vice versa. 


Edited by TEMELJNI, 17 January 2018 - 04:31 AM.


Homer_J #7 Posted 17 January 2018 - 05:26 AM

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View PostTEMELJNI, on 17 January 2018 - 03:27 AM, said:

success is not guaranteed fun and vice versa. 

 

I don't find waiting 20 seconds for a battle, then 25 seconds for players with stone age PCs to load the map, then 30 seconds for the countdown just to die in under a minute to be much fun either.

 

You do whatever floats your boat, I'm not asking you to change.  Just don't expect me to be following you.


Edited by Homer_J, 17 January 2018 - 05:27 AM.


TEMELJNI #8 Posted 17 January 2018 - 06:18 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 January 2018 - 05:26 AM, said:

 

I don't find waiting 20 seconds for a battle, then 25 seconds for players with stone age PCs to load the map, then 30 seconds for the countdown just to die in under a minute to be much fun either.

 

You do whatever floats your boat, I'm not asking you to change.  Just don't expect me to be following you.

 

I dont say you should rush blindly, im saying that you should look at the team composition, look at the map, and determine if someones strategy is viable if provided support.

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View PostTEMELJNI, on 17 January 2018 - 06:18 AM, said:

 

I dont say you should rush blindly, im saying that you should look at the team composition, look at the map, and determine if someones strategy is viable if provided support.

 

True.

But in tens of thousands of battles I (and I'd say many others) know pretty good what works and what not. And most of "someones strategy" doesn't. So they die alone. :(

 

BR,  Iztok



TankkiPoju #10 Posted 17 January 2018 - 07:29 AM

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View Posttopfox, on 17 January 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

Why its so damn difficult help team member instead camping behind him nearest rock or then vanished as a f..t in the Sahara and to protect their own skin preferentially. If you ask help really there is also choice that they answer stfu or noob ext.

 

​Totally strange behavior nowdays. Is it really forbidden to help or are people so indifferent when their own statuses need to be restored?

 

Because when you help a team mate, usually one of these things happen:

 

- the team mate will flip his tank AGAIN 5 seconds later. Some people are speshul.

- you can't turn the tank because fisics of this game, and the system marks you as team killer because you pushed him. So yeah often IT IS ACTUALLY FORBIDDEN TO HELP.

- you are in higher tier tank and actually trying to carry, so helping means miss an important opening in game. I rather win a game than help tomatoes. Sorry about that.

 


Edited by TankkiPoju, 17 January 2018 - 07:29 AM.


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You need to pay attention to your team setup at the start of the game. If you are in a fast tank and realize nobody's following you to the chokepoint, you retreat as well to a more suitable position or make a last stand to slow enemy down. If you are in a slow tank and still end up alone you haven't paid attention to where your team is going. Don't expect your team to help you to begin with, have them with you to guarantee the needed fire support.

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View PostTEMELJNI, on 17 January 2018 - 06:18 AM, said:

 

I dont say you should rush blindly, im saying that you should look at the team composition, look at the map, and determine if someones strategy is viable if provided support.

Most games i had the last few days there was no strategy...just a contest who manages to lose all of his hitpoints to the enemy in the quickest possible way. 



Graeme0 #13 Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:43 AM

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They are called 'random' battles for a reason

Jigabachi #14 Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:44 AM

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Aaand another stupid thread about "skill" by our botfriend topfox. Yay.
And he still didn't fix the age in his profile...

Edited by Jigabachi, 17 January 2018 - 11:45 AM.


Sfinski #15 Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:50 AM

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Good players win more random battles hwen they maximise their own performance. Helping plebs takes tome out from your own effective influence. 

 

Also #1 rule of randoms. Never trust your teammates. They'll let you down more often than not.



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View Posttopfox, on 17 January 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

Why its so damn difficult help team member instead camping behind him nearest rock or then vanished as a f..t in the Sahara and to protect their own skin preferentially. If you ask help really there is also choice that they answer stfu or noob ext.

 

​Totally strange behavior nowdays. Is it really forbidden to help or are people so indifferent when their own statuses need to be restored?

 

I was top tier in a battle other day in my E75 managed to roll onto my side racing to get into position, had 3 tanks very close to me and i was calling for help for about 5 minutes before someone halfway across the map came to help me, 

we lost that battle by 2 tanks, 5 tanks were destroyed while i was on my side, i wonder what the outcome would have been if one of the idiots near me had pushed me back onto my tracks straight away, we would have probably won,

unless i then did totally crapand got killed straight away which i didn't, i got 4 kills before i was finally overwhelmed :).



TheDrownedApe #17 Posted 17 January 2018 - 12:17 PM

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TBH it's about reading the situation.

 

Me and my toon mate (T-10 and Obj 430 2) were in the old magic forest on ?? the other day with a 140, VK B in the back and TVP on low health with us. The enemy had 2 x BCs, WZ 5A, RU and two others. the TVP was losing health rapidly and the VK B was unable to support where he was. It was obvious that when the TVP died we were getting pushed so me and toon mate ran away. the 140 accused us of lots of bad things but if he had read the situation he might of saved his tank too. BTW we won in the end by saving our tanks/hp for later.


 

So yes we abandoned him and rightly so



__H3H3__ #18 Posted 17 January 2018 - 12:21 PM

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Remember you are alone. The other 14 bobs on your team are there to take the hits and get the attention of the enemy. At least thats what I use them for. The only difference is that your own team can't damage you.

BlackHordes #19 Posted 17 January 2018 - 12:42 PM

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View Postanother_Ghost_Shell, on 17 January 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

The only difference is that your own team can't damage you.

 

Yes they can and yes they will.



Balc0ra #20 Posted 17 January 2018 - 12:55 PM

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View Posttopfox, on 17 January 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

Why its so damn difficult help team member instead camping behind him nearest rock or then vanished as a f..t in the Sahara and to protect their own skin preferentially. If you ask help really there is also choice that they answer stfu or noob ext.

 

​Totally strange behavior nowdays. Is it really forbidden to help or are people so indifferent when their own statuses need to be restored?

 

Depends. If I help you with a 1 vs 1, and the enemy has no support. It means they have one less gun, and we still have 2 extra. Then sure. Most will help. But that's not always the case.

 

But if you are in a 1 vs 6, and those 6 have arty support. And you only have one behind a bit further back. Him moving to help you means you both still die, as you can't win that. And the only thing you do is stall them for 10 seconds before they push the flank. Giving your team zero gain for it, and losing 2 guns in the prosses. Then it's better to fall back vs yoloing to help you. So it's not always due to stupidity or being to passive.

 

If you don't want to fight it when you know you have less guns. And your help can't really help. Why stay? As most rage on me for not helping for just that. A sure loss 2 vs 6. Then it's better to fall back to more guns, then to stay and help you get one extra shot of damage in, if that.

 

And I had a scout today raging as the two TD's he had behind him, inc me. He spotted targets behind the buildings. 5 of them. And he went to seek the damage, vs letting them come to him so we could help. Thus we were stupid for not helping. Because we did not yolo around the buildings with him.. without a turret.


Edited by Balc0ra, 17 January 2018 - 12:57 PM.





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