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BloodyGunner #1 Posted 17 January 2018 - 07:03 PM

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Hello, in my opinion, the price of premium ammo for T71 light tanks is too high compared with other tier 7 light tanks. 

For example:
- T71 DA and CMCD: 5,600 Shell cost, Damage 150, Penetration (mm) 210
- Spähpanzer SP I C: 4,000 Shell cost, Damage 220, Penetration (mm) 210
- AMX 13 75: 2,800 Shell cost, Damage 135, Penetration (mm) 202
- LTG: 3,200 Shell cost, Damage 180, Penetration (mm) 194
- WZ-131: 4,000 Shell cost, Damage 200, Penetration (mm) 230

 

What do you think guys, should they change the price or not?



Desyatnik_Pansy #2 Posted 17 January 2018 - 07:20 PM

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What a dumb thing to make a thread about IMO. But on the subject though, no, I don't really see a reason why it should be changed.

TheOneAboveAII #3 Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:04 PM

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So? You want to spam gold in your already retardly overpowered t71 da cheaply? No...it is already OP as balls...if you want to become even more op...pay

Holdes #4 Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:48 PM

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They are ridiculously overpriced, I never shot a single gold shell. But then again, they are not needed too much in these tanks.

lord_chipmonk #5 Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:53 PM

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Keep it as is. Let's not have even more incentive to spam HEAT. 

Dundato #6 Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:53 PM

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Make it more expensive. So i can laugh more at the folk who use it on me

AliceUnchained #7 Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:38 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 17 January 2018 - 07:20 PM, said:

What a dumb thing to make a thread about IMO. But on the subject though, no, I don't really see a reason why it should be changed.

 

It should really; pricing across the board is a big mess.

call_me_ShockZz #8 Posted 18 January 2018 - 12:41 AM

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everybody complaining about gold use right away.. thats a completely different story

 

you either use gold or you dont, nobody sits there like ''I could pen that with gold but no, not worth my money.'' What else are you packing it for?!

 

In my opinion they should balance it on the caliber of the gun, problem solved - that would mean that the 122mm on the KV-85 is very expensive, but it would perfectly fit on the IS-3

 

do that for every caliber and youre done, lower tiers wont spam gold as much and high tiers stay the same..

 

EDIT: I didnt mean the higher the caliber, the more expensive the gold ammo cause alpha damage obviously has to go into the thinking as well


Edited by call_me_ShockZz, 18 January 2018 - 12:44 AM.


Jigzy84 #9 Posted 18 January 2018 - 12:56 AM

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I don't fire HEAT in the T71 although the price is over priced compared to other HEAT shells of the same or better equivalent.

 

WG should really address this although I can see people flaming against such.......



TankkiPoju #10 Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:09 AM

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View Postcall_me_ShockZz, on 18 January 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

everybody complaining about gold use right away.. thats a completely different story

 

Many people don't complain about it at all, me included. I would guess it's because these people (myself included) assume every enemy is shooting premium ammo anyway.

 

I would guess most bad players complain about gold ammo, but these players also complain about invisible enemies, cheats and hacks, and generally why they have bad teams all the time.



ZlatanArKung #11 Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:17 AM

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WG should make premium ammo free imo.

shane73tank #12 Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:31 AM

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Don’t worry OP holiday ops 2018 is only 11 months away and with that 48% bonus you can spam heat again and make credits

leggasiini #13 Posted 18 January 2018 - 08:06 AM

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I mean it is dumb to encourage prem ammo usage even further (tho...the armor changes kinda overly encourages prem ammo usage anyway) but the OP has point on where the premium ammo price is absolutely retarded in some cases:

 

T110E3: 750 alpha, 375 mm penetration APCR, arguably one of the most powerful premium rounds in the entire game with combination of highpen APCR and 750 alpha, 5200 credits

T92, T71 and M41 Bulldoge: 150 alpha, 210 mm pen HEAT, one of the shittiest HEAT shells in the entire game, 5600 credits

 

There is absolutely no logical explaination for this, other than being another proof that apparently crayons are rather popular



TankkiPoju #14 Posted 18 January 2018 - 08:26 AM

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View Postleggasiini, on 18 January 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

T110E3: 750 alpha, 375 mm penetration APCR, arguably one of the most powerful premium rounds in the entire game with combination of highpen APCR and 750 alpha, 5200 credits

T92, T71 and M41 Bulldoge: 150 alpha, 210 mm pen HEAT, one of the shittiest HEAT shells in the entire game, 5600 credits

 

There is absolutely no logical explaination for this, other than being another proof that apparently crayons are rather popular

 

There is a logical explanation, sort of:

 

WG game designers don't want "gold shooting autoloader invisible sniper light tanks" in the game which could sit behind double bushes and clip all those innocent IS-3s from 500m away... because HEAT doesnt lose pen. And since light tanks are supposed to spot anyway, WG thinks premium ammo price doens't matter so they just slap something in there.

 



leggasiini #15 Posted 18 January 2018 - 08:32 AM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 18 January 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

 

There is a logical explanation, sort of:

 

WG game designers don't want "gold shooting autoloader invisible sniper light tanks" in the game which could sit behind double bushes and clip all those innocent IS-3s from 500m away... because HEAT doesnt lose pen. And since light tanks are supposed to spot anyway, WG thinks premium ammo price doens't matter so they just slap something in there.

 

 

Still doesnt explain it; the AMX 13 105 is also an autoloading light tank, it has more than double the alpha, and its tier 10 even (WG supposedly should hate tier 10 LTs even more than others), yet the prem HEAT on the AMX is still cheaper than the prem HEAT on the American 76 mm LT guns

Edited by leggasiini, 18 January 2018 - 08:33 AM.


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On the T71DA this is a balancing factor and the price is right for it.

On the T71 CMCD (And the T92 which has the same ammo) it should be brought down to normal level prices.

 

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Thejagdpanther #17 Posted 18 January 2018 - 08:50 AM

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yes,

they shold put all those ammo at 6000 cr



TankkiPoju #18 Posted 18 January 2018 - 09:24 AM

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View Postleggasiini, on 18 January 2018 - 08:32 AM, said:

Still doesnt explain it; the AMX 13 105 is also an autoloading light tank, it has more than double the alpha, and its tier 10 even (WG supposedly should hate tier 10 LTs even more than others), yet the prem HEAT on the AMX is still cheaper than the prem HEAT on the American 76 mm LT guns

 

13 105 has been "balanced" by having crappier HEAT pen (srsly, 280mm pen HEAT on tier 10 tank??? How does Obj416 get 330mm HEAT on tier 8 lol) and gun accuracy, so it can't really snipe tier 10 heavies anyway. And the tier 10 heavies have better 400m view range, because reasons.

 

T71 DA has 6 * 150 = 900 damage potential. It can clip tier 6 tanks and reload under 20 seconds. If it had cheaper 210mm pen HEAT, it would be a MASSIVE buff to the tank and it's completely overpowered already.

 

WG doesnt hate tier 10 light tanks, they are just desperately trying to shoe horn scout role and gameplay into tier 10 games. Which doesn't work with current maps, but hey its WG.

 



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View PostThejagdpanther, on 18 January 2018 - 08:50 AM, said:

yes,

they shold put all those ammo at 6000 cr

 

Well sounds good to me, if WG could also make premium HE ammo also cost similarly 25k credits per shot, like HESH and premium HE on Type 4/5.

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T100 LT has 246 premium pen. Take a guess how many premium rounds I've loaded.




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