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M103 Turret roof buff

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IlijaRuma #1 Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:07 PM

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Hello everyone!

 

So today i just got my second Turret on my M103.

And then i played few games with it and i realised that it is soo baaaad.

What the hell? T32 turret roof is better. This turret is so good that anything can put a shell on top of your angled turret and pen you.

That means that hulldown and entire things we learnt from branch is worthles. So basically, m103 is slow medium with good gun.

Even T32 has  better turret armor in my opinion. I think there should be a buff of some sort. Every other Tier 9 Heavy does it better than this one (not all tier 9 heavies...).

Atleast give it some sort of armor and leave the weakspot (small cupola on the roof).

 

Please give it a buff?

 

Thank you for reading. Pls no hate its my first post.



_T_1_T_4_N_0_ #2 Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:17 PM

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It is a bit of a stinker and prob could do with a Patton makeover same with the E5 and make that weak spot a tad smaller and a bit tougher.
The nerfed it too far so after the M103 you still have a bit of a dud.

Edited by DumbNumpty, 18 January 2018 - 10:18 PM.


Cobra6 #3 Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:27 PM

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It either needs better gun depression to hide the top of the turret *OR* that ridge at the back needs flattening.

Otherwise, good tank.

 

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ares354 #4 Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:00 PM

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E75 has 252 mm flat armor plate, turret front. Look on WZ 111 1-4, Conqueror or M103... that is crap turret. 

Edited by ares354, 19 January 2018 - 12:39 AM.


jdc302 #5 Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:10 PM

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Just increase the Top armor so it doens't get overmatchd by every 120mm gun.

Obsessive_Compulsive #6 Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:14 PM

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bit stinky seeing as the grind reward is not really competitive any more either...

TheWarrener #7 Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:14 PM

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M103 is a fine tank, it just got powercreeped

 



IlijaRuma #8 Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:23 PM

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View Postares354, on 18 January 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

E75 has 252 mm falt armor plate, turret front. Look on WZ 111 1-4, Conqueror or M103... that is crapturret. 

 

E75 can sidescrape and angle its turret, it has different play style. Compare the M103 to the conqueror or these Soviet bias turrets.

ares354 #9 Posted 19 January 2018 - 12:40 AM

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View PostIlijaRuma, on 18 January 2018 - 11:23 PM, said:

 

E75 can sidescrape and angle its turret, it has different play style. Compare the M103 to the conqueror or these Soviet bias turrets.

 

Angle his turret, gl in that. 

All turret are better then flat ones. With flat u cant bounce heats. M103 enemy need to hit that roof or hatch. 

_EXODUZ_ #10 Posted 19 January 2018 - 12:48 AM

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Try not to remain stationary, make it harder to hit, keep moving when you're reloading or you can even raise your gun.

tajj7 #11 Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:23 AM

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Giving a tank a cupola weakspot and huge overmatchable roof is just over kill, especially on a line that is about being tough hull down.

 

The M103 fighting other heavies is just stupid, you barely need to aim at that roof it's so huge, at the very least it should be a smaller spot like the IS3 or IS4, not the entire roof, most of it should be buffed to 50mm or something. 

 

Got to be arguably the worst tier 9 heavy aside maybe the 50120. Probably one of the worst tier 9s, I don't think it would be in danger of becoming OP if they buffed the roof armour, it still has a large weak cupola, it would just be less annoying to play. 

 

Seems an obvious quality of life buff to that tank IMO. 



Gremlin182 #12 Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:27 AM

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Isn't the American the next line to be buffed pretty sure that was mentioned when the Russian then British lines got updated

_EXODUZ_ #13 Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:29 AM

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View PostGremlin182, on 19 January 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

Isn't the American the next line to be buffed pretty sure that was mentioned when the Russian then British lines got updated

 

Nope, haven't heard anything like that.

undutchable80 #14 Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:31 AM

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View PostGremlin182, on 19 January 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

Isn't the American the next line to be buffed pretty sure that was mentioned when the Russian then British lines got updated

 

If they did I will continue that line. Currently stopped at the T29.

tajj7 #15 Posted 19 January 2018 - 12:40 PM

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View PostGremlin182, on 19 January 2018 - 10:27 AM, said:

Isn't the American the next line to be buffed pretty sure that was mentioned when the Russian then British lines got updated

 

Considering they have said they have pretty much finished rebalancing tier 8-10 I doubt it. 

ares354 #16 Posted 19 January 2018 - 04:28 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 19 January 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

Giving a tank a cupola weakspot and huge overmatchable roof is just over kill, especially on a line that is about being tough hull down.

 

The M103 fighting other heavies is just stupid, you barely need to aim at that roof it's so huge, at the very least it should be a smaller spot like the IS3 or IS4, not the entire roof, most of it should be buffed to 50mm or something. 

 

Got to be arguably the worst tier 9 heavy aside maybe the 50120. Probably one of the worst tier 9s, I don't think it would be in danger of becoming OP if they buffed the roof armour, it still has a large weak cupola, it would just be less annoying to play. 

 

Seems an obvious quality of life buff to that tank IMO. 

 

O.O maybe Conqueror didin't needed -10 gun dep and more armor on turret. But there isn't British bias Tajj. 

IlijaRuma #17 Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:21 PM

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I think they should buff the roof armor...Its just stupid that it is auto pen to almost anything, even the Tier 7s. You may say that its current turret is good but you probably dont know what it feels like to get autopenned by doomcannons. Even if you call it a weakspot. its is not. Its just a big mess. The small commander's hatch is a weakspot on its own, but i dont get the roof. You say wiggle the turret. That means bye bye to ammo rack :D. WG please buff the roof.

lord_chipmonk #18 Posted 20 January 2018 - 09:34 PM

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View Postares354, on 19 January 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

 

O.O maybe Conqueror didin't needed -10 gun dep and more armor on turret. But there isn't British bias Tajj. 

 

Does that say more about the Conqueror or the M103? Ordered by win rate, Conqueror is 3rd w.r.t. tier 9 heavies, M103 is dead last. If we increase the selection criteria to include all tank types, the Conqueror drops to 11th (good, but calling it OP might be a stretch) and the M103 is 46th. Out of 46. 

 

Edit: If you're looking for an OP tier 9 heavy, the new AMX is sitting pretty with a 56% average win rate. 2nd place is the WZ with 52%. 

 

I think the M103 needs a buff. 


Edited by lord_chipmonk, 20 January 2018 - 09:36 PM.


StrykE95 #19 Posted 20 January 2018 - 10:50 PM

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View Postjdc302, on 18 January 2018 - 10:10 PM, said:

Just increase the Top armor so it doens't get overmatchd by every 120mm gun.

 

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jdc302 #20 Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:24 PM

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View PostStrykE95, on 20 January 2018 - 09:50 PM, said:

 

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The armor on the turret is 38,1 mm. A 120mm gun can overmatch it.





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