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Sfinski #1 Posted 19 January 2018 - 06:15 PM

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Do not put this broken crap in the game. 

 

The V-shape hull nullifies every shot at tracks. You cannot damage 80% of the tanks bloody side! It is worse than 907, t22 and IS7 combined! 

 

Try it for yourself: https://tanks.gg/v09...k/obj-257/model

 

It is far better than many tier 10s!! FFS! Are you bloody retarded!?!?

 


Edited by Sfinski, 20 January 2018 - 09:27 AM.


ares354 #2 Posted 19 January 2018 - 06:16 PM

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IF this tank was British, Tajj would say its ok. So what the problem. 

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Scabolcz #3 Posted 19 January 2018 - 06:16 PM

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This says everything

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brumbarr #4 Posted 19 January 2018 - 06:17 PM

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Thats the 9.21  tank at T10, not the 9.22 model at T9.

 

But the side armour stayed as stupid, check this out:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=qXRd3gXfggY

 



Sfinski #5 Posted 19 January 2018 - 06:21 PM

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View Postares354, on 19 January 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

IF this tank was British, Tajj would say its ok. So what the problem. 

 

No he wouldn't. 
 

View Postbrumbarr, on 19 January 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:

Thats the 9.21  tank at T10, not the 9.22 model at T9.

 

But the side armour stayed as stupid, check this out:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=qXRd3gXfggY

 

 

Really haven't seen any changes to the V-shape and side armour that it got at t10, that is why I linked. 
 

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View PostSfinski, on 19 January 2018 - 06:21 PM, said:

 

No he wouldn't. 

 

No, ofc. He def every broken biritish HT, saying that those are fine. And say thing like that; VK auf A, PZ IV, E50m, PZ 7, Mauchen are very good german tanks. But with Centurion 1, Caernarvon, SQ he say that are balanced very well. 

No bias what so ever. 

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View PostScabolcz, on 19 January 2018 - 06:16 PM, said:

 

Looks like Steve just got a brand new favourite.  

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View Postares354, on 19 January 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

 

No, ofc. He def every broken biritish HT, saying that those are fine. And say thing like that; VK auf A, PZ IV, E50m, PZ 7, Mauchen are very good german tanks. But with Centurion 1, Caernarvon, SQ he say that are balanced very well. 

No bias what so ever. 

 

So what do you think is the difference being balanced and being a good tank?

Poerhis #9 Posted 19 January 2018 - 06:29 PM

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If this tank is going to have that armour, it needs to be severy nerfed in the gun and/or mobility aspect. Make the gun bloom like a pineapple or the hull traverse as slow as the Maus has and MAYBE, just MAYBE, it would be balanced.

 

As it is, it's ridiculously broken.



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Wargaming is getting more idiotic with every new line they release. Just imagine this tank being released 3 years ago and what it would have done to the game back then.

The game is still effectively the same as back then but we've gotten used to completely overbuffed armour and BS tanks that we don't find it *THAT* surprising anymore.

 

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View PostPoerhis, on 19 January 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

If this tank is going to have that armour, it needs to be severy nerfed in the gun and/or mobility aspect. Make the gun bloom like a pineapple or the hull traverse as slow as the Maus has and MAYBE, just MAYBE, it would be balanced.

 

As it is, it's ridiculously broken.

 

It would need the bloom of T49, pen of the IS3 and the traverse of the Maus to be balanced.

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Just to put it on perspective... A freaking ST-I will struggle to pen its FREAKING FLAT SIDE lol just what is this

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View PostSfinski, on 19 January 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

 

So what do you think is the difference being balanced and being a good tank?

 

SQ is not balanced, just coz Tajj say so, doesn't mean he is right. SQ and WZ 5a need nerfs, but Tajj will never ask to nerf British HT. 

So if this tank, Obj 257 was UK, Tajj would say its fine, you can pen his lower plate, or when he overangle, upper frontal plate. And roof can be overmatched, you have cupolas to hit. Tank is fine, by Tajj pov if tank was UK in orgin. 

Edited by ares354, 19 January 2018 - 06:32 PM.


soul3ater #14 Posted 19 January 2018 - 06:36 PM

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Ffs, of course i am gonna get this tank and the 430u is already in my garage. But can WG for once introduce balanced tanks...Ffs. My panzer 7 is crying on the side with the introduction of this tank. Balancing with out making the current tanks bloody useless.

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View PostScabolcz, on 19 January 2018 - 05:16 PM, said:

 

:amazed:

They finally did it. The ultimate noobtank.

 

View PostSfinski, on 19 January 2018 - 05:26 PM, said:

 

So what do you think is the difference being balanced and being a good tank?

 

Whatever he says, duh. Don't you know?

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yes, the hull is very well armored, but it has a huge auto-pen area above the gun...everything with caliber >91mm will just go right through that...

 

how useful is a good hull, when everyone can just overmatch the entire upper roof?



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View PostEaglax, on 19 January 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

yes, the hull is very well armored, but it has a huge auto-pen area above the gun...everything with caliber >91mm will just go right through that...

 

how useful is a good hull, when everyone can just overmatch the entire upper roof?

 

Now do that reliably further than 100 meters... Focken hell, the roof weakspot on IS3, IS4 etc. is only viable at close range. Doesn't mean almost 80% or even more of your hull should be auto bounce at almost any angle...

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View PostSfinski, on 19 January 2018 - 06:40 PM, said:

 

Now do that reliably further than 100 meters... Focken hell, the roof weakspot on IS3, IS4 etc. is only viable at close range. Doesn't mean almost 80% or even more of your hull should be auto bounce at almost any angle...

 

look at it's size..... additionally the turret is "angled forward", i.e. if you stand directly in front of it you can see a much larger piece of it, unlike the IS-3 which turret is rather flat.

If you stand a bit, just a bit, above it, it shouldn't be a problem to hit it even at a distance greater than 100m.

 

Ofc it doesn't justify such a well armored hull on tier 9, but come on, it's a huge weak spot...how can you not mention it?



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View PostEaglax, on 19 January 2018 - 07:50 PM, said:

 

look at it's size..... additionally the turret is "angled forward", i.e. if you stand directly in front of it you can see a much larger piece of it, unlike the IS-3 which turret is rather flat.

If you stand a bit, just a bit, above it, it shouldn't be a problem to hit it even at a distance greater than 100m.

 

Ofc it doesn't justify such a well armored hull on tier 9, but come on, it's a huge weak spot...how can you not mention it?

 

Because it's a weakspot it should have, like the 705 should have turret weakspot. 

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I'm not the one that usually shouts "OP!", but I have to agree with this. The Obj.257 is completely rediculous. Trying out the new sad version of Obj.263 I've now landed 5 shots on their sides from a 90 degree angle and they freakin bounced it like nothing. Frontal immunity is fine IMHO, but if we're going to start getting tanks that're immune from the sides aswell... soon we'll have to destroy them from above...

 

I can't say that I like anything with this update so far. They couldn't even get the rewards right for Ranked Battles... Guess what? Now instead of getting 1 useless garage slot, we will get 3! THREEE!!! LUL who needs 300 gold when you can have 1000 spare garage slots on your account...


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