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Sharp1903 #1 Posted 19 January 2018 - 06:43 PM

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After adding more heavy armored tanks into the game like IS-M, Obj 257, Obj705, what will happen to SMM heavy tanks?

 

175 pen is good enough for playing against those monsters? Its torture to play with WZ 111 now, I can't imagine in 9.22. 

 

What should WG do, any opinion? 

 

 



Tidal_Force #2 Posted 19 January 2018 - 07:06 PM

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View PostSharp1903, on 19 January 2018 - 05:43 PM, said:

What should WG do, any opinion?

 

Stop releasing OP tanks. Nerf already present OP tanks, including premiums.

 

Unrealistic? Yeah, but man can dream.



Balc0ra #3 Posted 19 January 2018 - 07:19 PM

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You made it sound like they are good to play even now. IS-6 has not worked for ages.

 

But they have said the KV-5, IS-6 and the Chinese HT's are on the buff list. Deal is that they see Pref MM as an issue. And want to remove it, so it's taking longer then they wish. And thus buff the guns on said tanks for +2, vs giving it a minor buff for +1. As your WZ has 250 gold pen at least. IS-6 has 217. So buffing the AP pen is not gonna work to well in the current meta if they keep it it at 200 ish anyway. So thus I would not object to my IS-6 getting +2 if the pen buffs were good enough to work on the HT line as top tier. But how would others object to it. As they still have the T26E4 nerf and refund's etc in mind.



Ziurawka #4 Posted 19 January 2018 - 08:08 PM

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Honestly guys, my most played tanks lately are PMM tanks, hardly anything else is playable when constantly being bottom tier. 

Arguably the heavy PMM tanks suffer a lot in this cause being  -1 in 5 IX / 10 VIII makes the pen not viable. 

But WZ 111? I'm waiting anxiously to actually buy it as soon as they sell it again. 250 gold pen if you can't go through with anything else - issue solved. 

Not like you can't afford it playing decently in prem tank. 

 

If they rework the tanks into +2 / -2 ... I will seriously need a break.

Not seeing the broken tier X and not being constantly thrown into the current flood of tier IX is precisely why I still play this game.



Szatanshow #5 Posted 19 January 2018 - 08:56 PM

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They will buf they premium ammo pen so you know....

gunslingerXXX #6 Posted 19 January 2018 - 09:00 PM

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They will stay in the garage mostly.

Sharp1903 #7 Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:16 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 19 January 2018 - 09:19 PM, said:

You made it sound like they are good to play even now. IS-6 has not worked for ages.

 

Yes, I mean it will be even worse :(



Sharp1903 #8 Posted 20 January 2018 - 10:40 AM

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Well I was expecting from WG an information about the future of SMM tanks. I guess I am wrong :(

Jumping_Turtle #9 Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:28 AM

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I hope they give a money refund if they remove the pmm.

Dont need them anymore if they change that.

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View PostTidal_Force, on 19 January 2018 - 07:06 PM, said:

Stop releasing OP tanks. Nerf already present OP tanks, including premiums.

 

Unrealistic? Yeah, but man can dream.

 

This might as well be impossible since WG would have to carpet nerf half the techtrees, and also nerf several premiums (and in nerfing premiums, offer refunds to the owners, like they did back when Super Pershing was nerfed).

 

Also, what they'll cook to powercreep things like Object 705A and Object 268 v4? Because that's been what WG has been doing in recent times - release OP stuff, and powercreep it some time later with even more OP stuff (with buffs and nerfs here and there). By the end of the year chances are Defender will be made obsolete.



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View PostZiurawka, on 19 January 2018 - 08:08 PM, said:

Honestly guys, my most played tanks lately are PMM tanks, hardly anything else is playable when constantly being bottom tier

 

I play the T26E4 a lot, as it works after the minor pen buff. Then again it had great gold ammo pen from before when a super heavy comes around. I still play the IS-6 for crew training, but then it's the medium line more so then the HT line based on what the enemy has. As 217 gold pen is not even helping vs half of them. Even less in a pure tier 8 game. That's what I hate seeing in my IS-6 more so then tier 9 tbh.

 

View PostZiurawka, on 19 January 2018 - 08:08 PM, said:

If they rework the tanks into +2 / -2 ... I will seriously need a break.

Not seeing the broken tier X and not being constantly thrown into the current flood of tier IX is precisely why I still play this game.

 

Considering how useless the IS-6 on the HT line in a pure tier 8 game now. I'll take it if they buff the pen enough. But as I said, not everyone likes the idea either as you proved. So who knows what they want to do with it. But the thing is that they have only talked about the IS-6, KV-5, WZ and 112 when they discus this. They have never mentioned the Pref MM Meds or even the 88 TD to remove it from those. Or even the 175 on the T-34-3.

 

View PostPanzerVor87, on 20 January 2018 - 11:34 AM, said:

 

This might as well be impossible since WG would have to carpet nerf half the techtrees, and also nerf several premiums (and in nerfing premiums, offer refunds to the owners, like they did back when Super Pershing was nerfed).

 

SP is the soul reason why they don't do it anymore. They have nerfed the Type 59 before it. But the outrage was minor then vs the T26E4 that forced them to give a refund. As that was a major nerf. Not a minor here and there. As in removing the main reason for most buying it.


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View PostSharp1903, on 20 January 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

Well I was expecting from WG an information about the future of SMM tanks. I guess I am wrong :(

 

There has ben many posts on the main website about the state of preferrential match making tanks in the currentmatchmaker. But i'm guessing google is too hard for you?

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Not sure if even Wargaming knows for sure what they'll do with the PMM tanks. Type 59 got a very sensible buff, the now-great gun handling coupled with 181/241mm penetration values hasn't exactly made it a monster.

 

The 122-armed PMM heavies could likely work well with the IS-3A setup (217mm APCR/250mm HEAT), which in turn could use some gun handling improvements. Alternatively a middle-way for the PMM-heavies; ~190mm AP penetration and some improvements in gun handling. 

FCM 50t needs gun handling improvements and being classed as a medium tank. For all intents and purposes that thing is simply a giant medium tank. If that is out of the question, improving the frontal armor could also work. Keep some weakspots to enforce non-static gameplay. Replacing the gun with the 100mm SA47 would not be a terrible idea either.

 

Of course, while the T8 PMM heavies are sort of bad, there are plenty of other T8s that work less well. Most could at least use some mobility and gun handling buffs. Shell speed is another good 'soft' buff. It doesn't really make them better against lower-tier tanks, but more usable in a support role against higher tiers and way less frustrating to play.



Obsessive_Compulsive #14 Posted 20 January 2018 - 01:19 PM

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WG wants you to sell them and buy 252 black

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They should just move them down a tier, adjust hp and dpm a bit and give them normal mm. You kill 2 birds with one stone. First the mm problem is solved and tier 8 is less crowded.

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 20 January 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

They should just move them down a tier, adjust hp and dpm a bit and give them normal mm. You kill 2 birds with one stone. First the mm problem is solved and tier 8 is less crowded.

 

If the offer a money refund for those that dont want that I am ok with that. I bought them for the special MM.

Aikl #17 Posted 20 January 2018 - 02:31 PM

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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 20 January 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

 

If the offer a money refund for those that dont want that I am ok with that. I bought them for the special MM.

 

Moving them down to T7 would literally be better than special matchmaking. It would also be broken as balls.

 

Frankly, WG limited themselves a lot when they decided to keep just about all the PMM tanks in sale - and make all the replacement tanks prem-shop only. It would be far easier to have them removed from sale and then buff them. The only onr lacking a normal-MM replacement is the Chinese one, I believe.



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WG solution to not nerf the defender,

 

release OP techtree russian tanks, so no one complains about the defender anymore...

 

*balance*



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View PostAikl, on 20 January 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

 

Frankly, WG limited themselves a lot when they decided to keep just about all the PMM tanks in sale

 

They should have just removed them from sales forever indeed.

Aikl #20 Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:17 PM

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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 20 January 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

 

They should have just removed them from sales forever indeed.

 

 

(Not exactly fitting - seeing as Wargaming's got its flip-flops in its mouth too.)







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