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MrRaykes #1 Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:20 AM

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Hello all 

 

I have recently bought the IS 7 after some hesitation.

While the T-10 is a tank that works well for me, the same can not be said about the IS 7.

I am aware that a rework to the tech tree is coming soon but until then I really want to get this tank to work.

 

Should I play it like I play the T-10? Like a medium? So far I have used the normal heavy playstyle and it does not work för me.

I generally seem to perform best in medium tanks, love the T-54 and the Lorraine 40T. Constantly adapting to the battle. 

 

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EltvilleTiger #2 Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:36 AM

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The T-10 is different than the IS-7 and I don't feel they deserve the same play style.  The IS-7 doesn't have paper armor and can actually bounce a lot more shots.  Like you, I fancy myself an MT player foremost but I've learned to adapt to HT play.  The IS-7 is a brawler, can bounce and side scrape, and has some speed as well.  Protect the lower plate, take calculated hits to push the battle forward, and remember that this HT is one of the best TierX HT's in the game.

 

Just my opinions!



RamRaid90 #3 Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:45 AM

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View PostEltvilleTiger, on 20 January 2018 - 07:36 AM, said:

The T-10 is different than the IS-7 and I don't feel they deserve the same play style.  The IS-7 doesn't have paper armor and can actually bounce a lot more shots.  Like you, I fancy myself an MT player foremost but I've learned to adapt to HT play.  The IS-7 is a brawler, can bounce and side scrape, and has some speed as well.  Protect the lower plate, take calculated hits to push the battle forward, and remember that this HT is one of the best TierX HT's in the game.

 

:amazed: No.

 

Type 5, Super Conq, Maus, 111-5a, 113, AMX M4 54 are all better by a long way.

 

 

Anyway, OP, the IS-7 is not the legendary invincible tank people are lead to beleive it is. It's actually very easy to defeat a poorly played one and it's only really forgiving if played semi-competently. The side armour is very weak to anyone who knows where to aim (most of the player base) it can't side scrape since your pike nose can be penned by most tier IX tanks and even tier VIII tds with ease. Your only option is hull down, and it's rare to see a useful hull down position now days.

 

The best option for the IS-7 is to either play it like a medium brawler or hide behind everyone else and use them as meat shields.



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two marked the thing...for some reason it gets its ammo rack taken off a lot by HE dumped at the side

xx984 #5 Posted 20 January 2018 - 09:35 AM

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I 3 marked it, and its one of my go to fun tanks.

 

Dont play it as a traditional heavy, i try to take mine against meds whenever i can. similar to what i do in the T-10. But unlike the T-10 it can brawl when it is needed, but dont play it JUST as a brawler. Also be prepared to fire alot of APCR when in full tier 10 match ups. Gun is too inaccurate to aim at the weakspots of most of these tanks with loads of armour now.


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View PostEltvilleTiger, on 20 January 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

The T-10 is different than the IS-7 and I don't feel they deserve the same play style.  The IS-7 doesn't have paper armor and can actually bounce a lot more shots.  Like you, I fancy myself an MT player foremost but I've learned to adapt to HT play.  The IS-7 is a brawler, can bounce and side scrape, and has some speed as well.  Protect the lower plate, take calculated hits to push the battle forward, and remember that this HT is one of the best TierX HT's in the game.

 

Just my opinions!

 

Yeah, the difference between them is spectacular, but I guess that´s why they´re changinge the line. And my attempts at sidescraping has so far not worked out many times... :(

 

View PostRamRaid90, on 20 January 2018 - 08:45 AM, said:

 

:amazed: No.

 

Type 5, Super Conq, Maus, 111-5a, 113, AMX M4 54 are all better by a long way.

 

 

Anyway, OP, the IS-7 is not the legendary invincible tank people are lead to beleive it is. It's actually very easy to defeat a poorly played one and it's only really forgiving if played semi-competently. The side armour is very weak to anyone who knows where to aim (most of the player base) it can't side scrape since your pike nose can be penned by most tier IX tanks and even tier VIII tds with ease. Your only option is hull down, and it's rare to see a useful hull down position now days.

 

The best option for the IS-7 is to either play it like a medium brawler or hide behind everyone else and use them as meat shields.

 

Playing it like a medium sounds like a solid option, given the decent speed and manouverability. Yeah, hull down positions that work with mediocre gun depression is not so plentiful.:teethhappy:

 

View Postxx984, on 20 January 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

I 3 marked it, and its one of my go to fun tanks.

 

Dont play it as a traditional heavy, i try to take mine against meds whenever i can. similar to what i do in the T-10. But unlike the T-10 it can brawl when it is needed, but dont play it JUST as a brawler. Also be prepared to fire alot of APCR when in full tier 10 match ups. Gun is too inaccurate to aim at the weakspots of most of these tanks with loads of armour now.

 

Yeah, I´m gonna treat it like a heavy medium, and that is a playstyle that I like and do good in. Let´s see if it works out:trollface:



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Drive sideways. That's where the armor is the strongest.

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Go hulldown in a spot where you don't need gun depression. Bully tanks with bad pen and keep wiggling so enemies can't get a well aimed shot at weaker plate without it constantly changing angle. Get in people's faces, you don't have the penetration and gun handling to fight at a distance, so use your mobility to get to a distance and position where you control the situation.

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I found it to be a facepalm tank.

 

it's not good at sidescraping.

it cannot stand still to aim while facing several enemies from slightly different angles, because then some of them always pen the weak hull cheeks.

don't try to engage the enemy from a distance, except when you have a good hull down position and there is no enemy arty or just one.

 

from my point of view it works best in a pack. get close and personal.

there is a good chance of bouncing quite a few shots when just driving straight to the enemy, especially when the enemy panics.

 

when advancing in a pack, the IS-7 with a bit of lcuk can survive a bit longer due to its armor and can therefore deal 2-3 shots more damage than other heavy tanks. when brawling, it's driving into the melee, make damage, explode and be happy about the 2,5k to 3k damage.

when lucky, one survives the melee and does additional damage netting a good battle.



Spectra_EU #10 Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:01 PM

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Go to usual positions to fight meds on some maps, shoot heavies on another

Just play hull-down and trade if you can or have to, it's easy do to damage with 490 alpha

Play full gold as well as the pen on this tank is kinda trash



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 20 January 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

I found it to be a facepalm tank.

 

it's not good at sidescraping.

it cannot stand still to aim while facing several enemies from slightly different angles, because then some of them always pen the weak hull cheeks.

don't try to engage the enemy from a distance, except when you have a good hull down position and there is no enemy arty or just one.

 

from my point of view it works best in a pack. get close and personal.

there is a good chance of bouncing quite a few shots when just driving straight to the enemy, especially when the enemy panics.

 

when advancing in a pack, the IS-7 with a bit of lcuk can survive a bit longer due to its armor and can therefore deal 2-3 shots more damage than other heavy tanks. when brawling, it's driving into the melee, make damage, explode and be happy about the 2,5k to 3k damage.

when lucky, one survives the melee and does additional damage netting a good battle.

 

one thing I forgot - avoid type 5, type 4 and other unbalanced HE superguns. go hull down against them and the IS-7 is toast in 5-6 shots.

Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 21 January 2018 - 06:51 PM.


TheWarrener #12 Posted 21 January 2018 - 10:55 PM

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Is7 is one of these annoying tonks which you really don't want to play fair with. Your best bet is bullying lower tiers and surprising mediums with your mobility. Only situation where you can stand your ground is when fully hulldown with no danger of getting rushed. A decent e100 player will mop the floor with you 9 times out of 10, not even mentioning stronk totally balanced tonks like Type or Maus. 

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View PostTheWarrener, on 21 January 2018 - 11:55 PM, said:

Is7 is one of these annoying tonks which you really don't want to play fair with. Your best bet is bullying lower tiers and surprising mediums with your mobility. Only situation where you can stand your ground is when fully hulldown with no danger of getting rushed. A decent e100 player will mop the floor with you 9 times out of 10, not even mentioning stronk totally balanced tonks like Type or Maus. 

 

The image is right, the angles are right but an E100 come on maybe a maus or a type!

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 22 January 2018 - 12:50 AM, said:

 

The image is right, the angles is right but an E100 come on maybe a maus or a type!

I see no reason for your doubt. Used to own both, e100 has better armor, more hp, more dpm, more alpha and similiar gun handling considering speed. It also has 334 HEAT pen compared to something like 300 pen APCR on is7. 


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View PostTheWarrener, on 22 January 2018 - 07:43 AM, said:

I see no reason for your doubt. Used to own both, e100 has better armor, more hp, more dpm, more alpha and similiar gun handling considering speed. It also has 334 HEAT pen compared to something like 300 pen APCR on is7. 

 

I am not doubting your opinion at all, just my experience with fighting E100's is that they are clumsy beasts. They have some difficulties killing an IS7 with the bad gun handling and the bad mobility but i do agree that the pen on the IS-7's apcr round is crap (303 mm)!

When face hugging one for example you have the turret front to shoot, the turret ring and the observation bar on top, what does the E100 have? the tiny cupolas on the turret which he will probably miss cause of the constant wiggling and turning of the turret. I found the E100 most annoying when shooting HE from a distance! :)



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View PostMrRaykes, on 20 January 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

Should I play it like I play the T-10? Like a medium? So far I have used the normal heavy playstyle and it does not work för me.

I generally seem to perform best in medium tanks, love the T-54 and the Lorraine 40T. Constantly adapting to the battle. 

 

Yes.



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 22 January 2018 - 07:22 AM, said:

I am not doubting your opinion at all, just my experience with fighting E100's is that they are clumsy beasts.

 

Skilled E100 driver will wreck an IS7 at close range. It's because angled E100 turret is well over 300mm in effective thickness, while E100 can just shoot down on IS7's lower plate.

 

Unfortunately 95% of E100 players have no idea what turret angling is, so they just take those APCR rounds through the turret face. And then complain on WoT forums how armor is useless.


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View PostTankkiPoju, on 22 January 2018 - 08:32 AM, said:

 

Skilled E100 driver will wreck an IS7 at close range. It's because angled E100 turret is well over 300mm in effective thickness, while E100 can just shoot down on IS7's lower plate.

 

Unfortunately 95% of E100 players have no idea what turret angling is, so they just take those APCR rounds through the turret face. And then complain on WoT forums how armor is useless.

 

Well, i guess competent E100 drivers are in short supply :)

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Thank you all, solid advise from many of you:)

 

Have changed my ammo loadout, was 20/8/2 for AP/APCR/HE and now I run 10/20/0. Works better bus is expensive as hell. 

Will post some replays when I am not at work, need some pointers to my play. Winrate is going up but it is a very small sample size.

 

In a full TX game I try to stay with mediums and in a 3-5-7/5-10 I usually try to stay with fellow heavys, but second line or if possible, hull down.



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 22 January 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

 

Well, i guess competent E100 drivers are in short supply :)

 

They are. Just look at tier 10 games, and what E100s are doing. They just keep turret faced flat at enemy through the entire 17 seconds reload cycle and just eat those HEAT and APCR shells with their hit points.

 

I would say it's because German heavies except Maus generally can't angle the turret. People just carry the same habits to tier 10.

 

But it's the same in Russian tanks and in IS-4 tree, for example. 95% of people can't angle IS-4 properly to make armor work. IS-4 needs buffs, but it does have very good armor even in 2018... if you can use it.

 






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