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KillingJoker #1 Posted 20 January 2018 - 04:39 PM

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Ok, so this is my review of the obj 430U 

 

i played on paris map, and i played the tank like i would play a armored heavy with low profile (Ie: Is7, or 113)

 

test server, so everyone is spamming gold.. and i bounced 1900 dmg, pretty much every shot i received bounced...

the only penetration i got was from the type 5 heavy idiot, (who was pissed off because i made a top gun, and didnt let him had its 3rd kill...)

 

but anyways... the obj 430U...

 

a huge mistake by wg... it plays like a medium,(gun handling wise) punches alpha damage as a heavy tank, and its armor works as good as the 113...  but with much, much better aim time....(correction, the obj 430U turret is better than the 113)

 

as you can see from the replay, i only used one heat shot and it was to finish off a tank that i couldnt pen with AP.. all the ammunition i used as AP, despite this is test server...

 

my crew was using 3 skills only, i didnt wanted to overtrain my crew, and my feeling about this tank, its pretty overpowered...

the gun handling makes a huge difference between this and a heavy, because you can do snap shots, you  would hardly do with a heavy tank

 

http://circon.wot-re...er_not_op_at_al

 

firstly i was thinking this tank would play a lot like the 121, but it doesnt, it have way better hull armor and the gun handling is way way superior...

its like playing a medium but with the benefits of an heavy, armor and alpha damage punch..

 

A terrible mistake, this tank should not be released with this gun stats, the gun handling must be nerfed, and the hull harmor must be nerfed as well to match obj 140 levels...  

 

you should NEVER EVER release a tank that when well angled, even 290mm of penetration guns will struggle to go in...

and this was test server and i was bouncing premium rounds at close quarters combat vs turreteless TDs and a heavy...

while i was basicly playing with them because i had much better gun handling... snap shoting quite easly for a gun with such high alpha...

 


as you can see the armor works pretty well even when overangling... and dont get fooled by the green  part on the hull uper plate, thats not a weakspot, its a glitch from the tanks.gg website, you cant pen the upper plate at this angle, it will bounce or ricochet...

 

i cant even imagine how devastating this tank will be in players who are better than me, because, its mobile, gun handling its amazing for a high alpha damage gun, the armor works pretty well even against heavies and Tds... 

 

its overpowered, it CANNOT be released the way it is... you need to nerf the gun handling... it should be comparable to the 121, not like this...

becuase if you release it like this, it will be as powerfull as the obj 907, and it will be in the techtree... 

 

 


Edited by KillingJoker, 20 January 2018 - 04:44 PM.


Volfrahm #2 Posted 20 January 2018 - 04:48 PM

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Well the obvious choice is to simply buff the 121's armor to equally ridiculous levels. :trollface: 

kinskikl4us #3 Posted 20 January 2018 - 04:52 PM

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You could just flank it or let a Leopard1 deal with it.

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View Postkinskikl4us, on 20 January 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:

You could just flank it or let a Leopard1 deal with it.

 

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Ehern #5 Posted 20 January 2018 - 05:27 PM

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i see a long break from WOT incoming after the release

Strizi #6 Posted 20 January 2018 - 05:29 PM

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They should have buffed E50M to these levels (but with the 390 Alpha Gun) but why not introduce another overpowered russian tank!

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View PostKillingJoker, on 20 January 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

Ok, so this is my review of the obj 430U 

 

i played on paris map, and i played the tank like i would play a armored heavy with low profile (Ie: Is7, or 113)

 

test server, so everyone is spamming gold.. and i bounced 1900 dmg, pretty much every shot i received bounced...

the only penetration i got was from the type 5 heavy idiot, (who was pissed off because i made a top gun, and didnt let him had its 3rd kill...)

 

but anyways... the obj 430U...

 

a huge mistake by wg... it plays like a medium,(gun handling wise) punches alpha damage as a heavy tank, and its armor works as good as the 113...  but with much, much better aim time....(correction, the obj 430U turret is better than the 113)

 

as you can see from the replay, i only used one heat shot and it was to finish off a tank that i couldnt pen with AP.. all the ammunition i used as AP, despite this is test server...

 

my crew was using 3 skills only, i didnt wanted to overtrain my crew, and my feeling about this tank, its pretty overpowered...

the gun handling makes a huge difference between this and a heavy, because you can do snap shots, you  would hardly do with a heavy tank

 

http://circon.wot-re...er_not_op_at_al

 

firstly i was thinking this tank would play a lot like the 121, but it doesnt, it have way better hull armor and the gun handling is way way superior...

its like playing a medium but with the benefits of an heavy, armor and alpha damage punch..

 

A terrible mistake, this tank should not be released with this gun stats, the gun handling must be nerfed, and the hull harmor must be nerfed as well to match obj 140 levels...  

 

you should NEVER EVER release a tank that when well angled, even 290mm of penetration guns will struggle to go in...

and this was test server and i was bouncing premium rounds at close quarters combat vs turreteless TDs and a heavy...

while i was basicly playing with them because i had much better gun handling... snap shoting quite easly for a gun with such high alpha...

 


as you can see the armor works pretty well even when overangling... and dont get fooled by the green  part on the hull uper plate, thats not a weakspot, its a glitch from the tanks.gg website, you cant pen the upper plate at this angle, it will bounce or ricochet...

 

i cant even imagine how devastating this tank will be in players who are better than me, because, its mobile, gun handling its amazing for a high alpha damage gun, the armor works pretty well even against heavies and Tds... 

 

its overpowered, it CANNOT be released the way it is... you need to nerf the gun handling... it should be comparable to the 121, not like this...

becuase if you release it like this, it will be as powerfull as the obj 907, and it will be in the techtree... 

 

 

Its being tested on the test server...



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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 20 January 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Its being tested on the test server...

 

so was the maus...

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 20 January 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

Its being tested on the test server...

So was the Maus, which got buffed pre release.

And so was Type 5, which didn't receive any nerfs. 

 

In general, nothing happens between test server and release.



Spectra_EU #10 Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:16 PM

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I don't think they're going to touch the 430U (too much)

The 121 will be replaced, by the WZ-122 I believe, in the future anyway



Strizi #11 Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:26 PM

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This tank is overtuned as [edited], way better than 121, e50m and 113. Why play any of these when you can play 430u...

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 20 January 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Its being tested on the test server...

 

CT is mainly just mass testing for issues, e.g. within the matchmaker or if there are any bugs in the client.

 

I very much doubt that CT provides any usable data for rebalancing tanks outside bugs in armor or whatever. That's why you have the supertest, I bet any changes not planned long enough time ahead would be likely to need testing almost up until the patch launch date.

View PostSpectra_EU, on 20 January 2018 - 06:16 PM, said:

I don't think they're going to touch the 430U (too much)

The 121 will be replaced, by the WZ-122 I believe, in the future anyway

 

Historical Chinese tank designs? Haha... oh wait, it actually was a prototype. 

 

Question is how much point there'd be to that. Doubt Wargaming cares too much anyway, e.g. the T-34-3 was rather lazily provided the Type 59 hull. Maybe they discovered that Chinese napkin drawers had perfected the T-54 design from just looking at it ...



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I think it's totally fine as it is, a nicely armored medium, had no problems playing against 'em when driving one myself.

brumbarr #14 Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:12 PM

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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 20 January 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

I think it's totally fine as it is, a nicely armored medium, had no problems playing against 'em when driving one myself.

 

if you mean nicely armoured a medium tank with the armour of a heavy, sure.

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View PostStrizi, on 20 January 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

This tank is overtuned as [edited], way better than 121, e50m and 113. Why play any of these when you can play 430u...

 

Because those tanks are from different nations? Is probably a reason to play those 3 tanks. 

 

I mean, really. Is everyone really only complaining about the tank "beeing a replacement to 121 or 113 or E50M because it has a 440 alpha gun and also, but not so important to this situation, good armor"?

 

Sure the tank is a little overtuned at its armor levels. But the thing is, even if it didn't have such armor, people would still complain about the gun, ffs.


Edited by Afdass, 20 January 2018 - 08:16 PM.


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View PostEhern, on 20 January 2018 - 04:27 PM, said:

i see a long break from WOT incoming after the release

 

Or just get one yourself.

brumbarr #17 Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:22 PM

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View PostAfdass, on 20 January 2018 - 08:15 PM, said:

 

Because those tanks are from different nations? Is probably a reason to play those 3 tanks. 

 

I mean, really. Is everyone really only complaining about the tank "beeing a replacement to 121 or 113 or E50M because it has a 440 alpha gun and also, but not so important to this situation, good armor"?

 

Sure the tank is a little overtuned at its armor levels. But the thing is, even if it didn't have such armor, people would still complain about the gun, ffs.

 

Why would anyone complain about the gun? Its a bit different 121 gun.

 

The armour is the problem, not the gun.



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View Postkinskikl4us, on 20 January 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:

You could just flank it or let a Leopard1 deal with it.

 

Or even better, a TVP VTU.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 20 January 2018 - 07:22 PM, said:

 

Why would anyone complain about the gun? Its a bit different 121 gun.

 

The armour is the problem, not the gun.

 

And I said that. But 90% of people I see complaining about the tank only focus the gun and how it will make the 113 and 121 obsolete, just because it also has a 440 alpha gun. I like the tank, played it in the test server quite a few times, gun felt good and the armor seems to much. Will get it anyways once the patch gets released into the live servers, but I just don't feel why 440 alpha in a medium should only be a chinese thing.

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View PostAfdass, on 20 January 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

 

And I said that. But 90% of people I see complaining about the tank only focus the gun and how it will make the 113 and 121 obsolete, just because it also has a 440 alpha gun. I like the tank, played it in the test server quite a few times, gun felt good and the armor seems to much. Will get it anyways once the patch gets released into the live servers, but I just don't feel why 440 alpha in a medium should only be a chinese thing.

 

Well it makes those 2 tanks obslelete since it has the same gun but better armour, so it does everything better than them, making them obselete.

It doesnt make 320 alpha meds obselete sicne those have different strenghts.






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