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Frohnyr #1 Posted 21 January 2018 - 12:08 AM

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I don't know but I find it suspicious that the Russian tanks keep getting HEAT ammo at almost every tier. Ammo that can pen almost everything regardless of the armor value.

 

Plus the OP russian tanks at T8 and higher.

 

WG, is  it because you have to please your Russian audiance? Because Russian armor during WWII was crap.

 

WG limit the amount of premium ammo you can take in to battle, this will make the game much more balanced, instead of having all these stat padders spamming premium ammo



VsUK #2 Posted 21 January 2018 - 12:12 AM

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Kinda like the Type 4/5 Heavys where the guns only have 75MM pen, yet every shot no matter where it hits or on what tank or TD just rips you apart over & over again. I didn't think it was possible to deal 900hp damage, damage 3 modules & kill/injure 3 crew members from one shot. But, this is WG after all.

lord_chipmonk #3 Posted 21 January 2018 - 12:14 AM

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View PostFrohnyr, on 21 January 2018 - 12:08 AM, said:

I don't know but I find it suspicious that the Russian tanks keep getting HEAT ammo at almost every tier. Ammo that can pen almost everything regardless of the armor value.

 

Ok, let's take one of the most popular lines in the game, IS-7. How many tanks have HEAT on that line? None. Ok, 1/2 if you count the KV-1 and KV-1S with the derp gun. 

 

What about the IS-4 line? Same but with no KV-1S. 

 

Mediums get HEAT at tiers 9+. Meanwhile the Japanese meds get HEAT from tier 8+...hmmmmm, not really seeing your point here to be honest. 



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 21 January 2018 - 12:14 AM, said:

 

Ok, let's take one of the most popular lines in the game, IS-7. How many tanks have HEAT on that line? None. Ok, 1/2 if you count the KV-1 and KV-1S with the derp gun. 

 

What about the IS-4 line? Same but with no KV-1S. 

Don't T-10, ST-I and IS-4 get 340 HEAT?



Junglist_ #5 Posted 21 January 2018 - 12:19 AM

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75% of tanks played German. Wehraboo spotted.

And just because it's HEAT doesn't automatically mean that it "can pen almost everything" how about you learn some game mechanics before you spew any more nonsense.



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 20 January 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

 

Ok, let's take one of the most popular lines in the game, IS-7. How many tanks have HEAT on that line? None. Ok, 1/2 if you count the KV-1 and KV-1S with the derp gun. 

 

What about the IS-4 line? Same but with no KV-1S. 

 

Mediums get HEAT at tiers 9+. Meanwhile the Japanese meds get HEAT from tier 8+...hmmmmm, not really seeing your point here to be honest. 

 

View Postfishbob101, on 20 January 2018 - 11:18 PM, said:

Don't T-10, ST-I and IS-4 get 340 HEAT?

 

Yes they do.

lord_chipmonk #7 Posted 21 January 2018 - 12:23 AM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 21 January 2018 - 12:20 AM, said:

Yes they do.

 

So they do. Sorry, was accidentally looking at the prem. ammo for the stock gun on those tanks on tanks.gg. My bad.  

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View PostFrohnyr, on 21 January 2018 - 12:08 AM, said:

Plus the OP russian tanks at T8 and higher.

 

normal tier 8 russian tanks with HEAT available (top gun only): Obj 416, SU-101 ----- prem tank: IS-3A ----- reward tank: IS-5 -----that's it.... which of those do you consider OP?

 



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I think most can understand why there is a Russian bias on the Russian server as maybe they will not see it as imbalance.
On the EU server the HEAT on the T9s and lower is just completely out of balance with many others using APCR, it should be APCR and balanced.
I just can not see why they enforce the same Russian imbalance on the EU server... :confused: 

Balc0ra #10 Posted 21 January 2018 - 01:20 AM

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Play tanks with spaced armor then if you see it as an issue. My T26E4 don't mind them when they try to go for my lower plate with a mile long gap on it to make the heat beam useless. Or the tracks eat it. Tho.. it's not 100% fool proof.

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Russian bias? That's so 2013...

PolarMolaris #12 Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:48 PM

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Please search vbaddict. Many player play soviet tanks and thay have more wr,more dmg than other nation. Thanks wot. i think wot will much nerf german tanks and buff russian tanks. more players should play with soviets tanks.the number is still not much.it must be usage ratio %90. i dont want to see tiger series. some still insist with german tanks. They gave up. the name of this game must be World of Object tanks.

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View PostPolarMolaris, on 06 August 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

Please search vbaddict. Many player play soviet tanks and thay have more wr,more dmg than other nation. Thanks wot. i think wot will much nerf german tanks and buff russian tanks. more players should play with soviets tanks.the number is still not much.it must be usage ratio %90. i dont want to see tiger series. some still insist with german tanks. They gave up. the name of this game must be World of Object tanks.

 

Please show us on the picture where the big bad russian tank touched you.

 



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LoL. HEAT doesn't mean autopen. On may aspects, APCR is far better than HEAT! Let's sum up:

                                APCR/HEAT

Normalization           2°       0°

Overmatch               Yes    No

Fligh Speed            High   Low

Bounce Angle          70°     85°

Pen at range         Lower  Same

Space armour         NP     Suffer

 

All in all, HEAT are good only if you need to shoot at flat thick armour plate or to shoot steep angled thin plate that APCR can't overmatch. For everything else APCR are a superior choice.


Edited by Dava_117, 06 August 2018 - 02:06 PM.


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Well the huge advantage of HEAT is that it loses no penetration over range so 330 penetration at 50m is 330 penetration at 15km.

 

Unlike APCR ammo which loses penetration fast over range.

 

I always prefer HEAT ammo over APCR even at range as you do not have to worry about penetration values, just aiming it correctly.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 06 August 2018 - 02:12 PM.


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So why don't you research and play Russian tanks? Put a flag of other country in them, voices in english, and presto no russian tanks  anymore.

Edited by pecopad, 06 August 2018 - 02:14 PM.


PolarMolaris #17 Posted 07 August 2018 - 06:47 PM

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View Postpecopad, on 06 August 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

So why don't you research and play Russian tanks? Put a flag of other country in them, voices in english, and presto no russian tanks  anymore.

 

Cuz i dont pay this game. If you havent a premium account and pre tanks, it take min 1 year for just a 10 tier tanks. But that's absurd anyway. There are many heavies tanks in this game but many people play soviet heavies. i think this game name called World of Soviet Tanks. it is also bad for a normal game. But wg company is very patriotic.

 



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View PostFrohnyr, on 21 January 2018 - 12:08 AM, said:

I don't know but I find it suspicious that the Russian tanks keep getting HEAT ammo at almost every tier. Ammo that can pen almost everything regardless of the armor value.

 

Plus the OP russian tanks at T8 and higher.

 

WG, is  it because you have to please your Russian audiance? Because Russian armor during WWII was crap.

 

WG limit the amount of premium ammo you can take in to battle, this will make the game much more balanced, instead of having all these stat padders spamming premium ammo

 

This is more of a problem with premium ammo in general rather than russian premium ammo. Most premium shells have so much pen that you don't need to think about armor at all, unless you are shooting at something heavy and higher tier.

There may be a little bit of russian bias, but it's not so clear because there are plenty of OP vehicles that are not russian and some russian vehicles are actually UP. Though in general russian vehicles perform well and they are not ignored when they need buffs, unlike german vehicles for example.



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Nice necro.

What I don't like about russian tanks is the side armour. Whe you circle them you cannot reliably pen the sides with autoaim. Every other nation is easy pen... and also crazy turret/hull traverse so they not only bounce your shots but are also able to shoot you back at the same time...


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View PostDava_117, on 06 August 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

LoL. HEAT doesn't mean autopen. On may aspects, APCR is far better than HEAT! Let's sum up:

                                APCR/HEAT

Normalization           2°       0°

Overmatch               Yes    No

Fligh Speed            High   Low

Bounce Angle          70°     85°

Pen at range         Lower  Same

Space armour         NP     Suffer

 

All in all, HEAT are good only if you need to shoot at flat thick armour plate or to shoot steep angled thin plate that APCR can't overmatch. For everything else APCR are a superior choice.

 

-Normalization is meaningless, this change very little 
-That is good thing and bad thing in same time. APCR can overmatch, but if they have to low gun caliber, they wont do anything to armor they cant overmatch, example, 90 mm gun vs 30 thick plate under 70% angle. HEAT from that gun will pen it np there. STA 1, STA 1 can fight S1 on heat, where Panther 88, Pershing cant
-Agree

-Again, plus for heat 
-APCR lose pen fastest from all 3 shells types. 

-Both of those shells suffer from space armor, HEAT suffer much more. For example; STA 1 on heat and Pershing on APCR will both pen lower plate of SP from front, APCR have higher chance tho, about 15% more. But if heat have enough pen, he will pen any space armor in this game. 

HEAT get too much crapin this game from player. It very strong ammo, it not ammo worse then APCR, its different. 
 






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