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Object 416... The sad story of a forgotten tank

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Heilige_Eminenz #1 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:34 AM

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Once upon a time, there was an Object 416.

It had a quite nice gun, somwhat decent mobility and was able to play happily with it's friends and colleagues in it's natural habitat, Tier 8-land.

 

But then, one morning it awoke to a great roar. It looked out of the window and saw a bunch of big bad new tanks and it shivered at their sight!

And rightly so it did, for over night it got power-creeped to death!

 

The new tanks, and it's former friends, who after their buff did not want to play with the weak and meek obj 416 anymore banished it from tier 8-land.

But it got nowhere else to go, so since it lived in the shadows, trembling in fear, whenever it encountered another Tier 8. :ohmy:

 

And so the obj 416 was forgotten and was never spoken of again. :(

 

 

The morale of the story is of course:  when u re-do the sowjet tech tree in the next patch, please do not forget the poor poor obj 416 again.

 

Give it something, for in its currenct state, it struggles against tier 7, let alone the  Tier Xs it meets.

 

And to the first guy that wants to counter this with: "but it's got great HEAT, hurrrrrr durr"... plz don't.

 



Draz_H #2 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:35 AM

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But it's got great HEAT

 

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE



brumbarr #3 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:38 AM

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The obj416 is one of those tanks that doesnt care about power creep, because 330 heat pen at tier 8 da!

CircleOfSorrow #4 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:41 AM

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It should have been moved to the Obj 263 line...

Aikl #5 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:42 AM

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Is it really that bad compared to most T8 mediums? I get that its role has diminished due to shift towards more short-range engagements, but doubt it's first in line for a buff. Besides, with the amount of HEAT going out of that tank, it's bound to statistically perform OK-ish - not to mention that it's like the Bermuda triangle of credits. :great:

tajj7 #6 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:45 AM

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I don't see much issue with the 416, it's certainly awkward and struggles sometimes to 'medium things'.

 

But then you realise it has 320 alpha on tier 8, with like a 6.5s reload, that most 240 alpha tier 8 meds have and it has 330 HEAT pen, that means it melts most tier 10s.

 

Not sure how it struggles against tier 7, it can close to 3 shot some of them, in barely 13s, it can out trade all but the IS and some TDs, it can out spot many lights because of absurd base camo. 



PoIestar #7 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:51 AM

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The 416 was fine and is still fine. You just gotta get to grips with it.

Dr_ownape #8 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:55 AM

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lol grinding it at the moment and just had these games. Admittedly they did play into my hands but still :) first Nicols's medal

 

 

and then this one. The tank works well but you need to play to your advantage.....which i hate to say but is liberal use of HEAT

 



Mr_Burrows #9 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:58 AM

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So far I hate it. Feels sluggish, you cannot turn the turret 360, and almost zero gun depression. Camo? I have not noticed so far. The A-44 was a joy in comparison, and I did not like that one either. Hopefully it will get better, but I already free XP'd the modules so the one thing remaining is for me to realize this thing is not a med but a TD. Sorta like the ELC but at the same time nothing of the sort. 

Cobra6 #10 Posted 22 January 2018 - 11:16 AM

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416 is a very fine medium with ridiculous camo and a nice gun, it's fine.

 

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Balc0ra #11 Posted 22 January 2018 - 11:24 AM

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It has a gun that handles great, stupid high heat pen and more camo when firing them most tier 8 TD's. It's still one of the better tier 8 "mediums". It's fine tbh. I see no issue with it.

fwhaatpiraat #12 Posted 22 January 2018 - 12:13 PM

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This thing always was, and still is a great tank. 416 is among my best performing tanks.

ares354 #13 Posted 22 January 2018 - 12:38 PM

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Way, way better then A44. Good tank, can carry close game. One of last unique tank on tiers in game, and that something. 

Captain_Kremen0 #14 Posted 22 January 2018 - 12:46 PM

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So...press 2 to win?

DeadM0u5 #15 Posted 22 January 2018 - 12:49 PM

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Pretty sure it depends on the player more than the tank at this point...

 

Maybe going above tier 5 was a mistake for you after all?


Edited by DeadM0u5, 22 January 2018 - 12:49 PM.


Uebergewicht #16 Posted 22 January 2018 - 01:14 PM

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The 416 is a great tank, it´s just a very unusual one. It´s got probably the best gun on any tier 8 medium, with alpha, dpm and decent handling, and the best camo you can get. It pays for this by having no armor and really poor gun angles, so it cant go to many of the typical medium spots and do the typical medium things, but it definitely can work if you know what you´re doing. If you cant abuse the camo, you can abuse the back mounted turret, alpha and dpm to pop up on distracted or reloading enemies; you can melt any same tier medium tank in a face to face brawl due to your dpm (with the exception of autoloders) and you have the best tools in your disposal to fight higher tiers: camo to not be seen by them and best in class premium rounds.

 

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And to the first guy that wants to counter this with: "but it's got great HEAT, hurrrrrr durr"... plz don't.

 

What kind of argument is that? It´s like saying "Maus is a weak tank - dont defend it by saying it has armor, hurr durr". The Heat rounds on this tank are a primary asset, and if you´re not using these, that´s your own damn fault. It´s like playing a Pershing and refusing to use its gun depression... sure, I would prefer if the game was balanced less around prem rounds, but that´s how it is. The 416 has great potential if you know what you´re doing, especially in the current match making. If there´s a tank in the line you want to complain about, its the A-44, but certainly not the 416.

 

Source: I grinded two tier 9s from this machine and got two MoEs by doing just that. If you cant make it work, its you, not the tank.



Heilige_Eminenz #17 Posted 22 January 2018 - 01:17 PM

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View PostDeadM0u5, on 22 January 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Pretty sure it depends on the player more than the tank at this point...

 

Maybe going above tier 5 was a mistake for you after all?

 

Let's keep it civil, will you? If you got nothing to contribute, just don't comment.

 

Well, maybe it really is just the player behind it... Played a fair number of games and actually manage to put out a few good games in it.

 

The camo is in fact very good, the DPM is also.  But I feel, these are  outweighed by the complete lack of armour and noawadays somewhat mediocre mobility combined with the fact that literally every hit will either wreck ur ammorack or fueltank or engine. Or of course, all three.

 

But yeah, it seems you guys quite like it, so I guess it's just not for me :sceptic:


Edited by Heilige_Eminenz, 22 January 2018 - 01:21 PM.


Heilige_Eminenz #18 Posted 22 January 2018 - 01:20 PM

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View PostUebergewicht, on 22 January 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:

The Heat rounds on this tank are a primary asset,

 

Well this is kind of an argument against the tank, isn't it...

 

Besides that, yeah, you are right. Maybe I'll get to like it after all. Will certainly give it a fair try for a few more rounds.

 

 

(sry for double-posting., the Editor screwed me over...)


Edited by Heilige_Eminenz, 22 January 2018 - 01:21 PM.


TheWarrener #19 Posted 22 January 2018 - 01:21 PM

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To be honest, absolute clusterf*ck that tier 8 MM is right now actually did 416 a favor. Lacking versitality, armor and hp, only thing it has going for it is the gun. But now, as tier 8s have basically tier X MM, your versitality, gun and hp don't matter anyway. So you end up with the Best gun on a tier 8 medium. Profit. 



tajj7 #20 Posted 22 January 2018 - 01:22 PM

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View PostHeilige_Eminenz, on 22 January 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

 

Well this is kind of an argument against the tank, isn't it...

 

 

Not really as it's standard pen is still ok for tier 8 medium at 201.  You just have the bonus of having better premium rounds than almost every other tier 8 tank. 






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