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Poll: Should the Leopard 1 be buffed? (165 members have cast votes)

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Should the Leopard 1 be buffed?

  1. Yes (153 votes [92.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 92.73%

  2. No (11 votes [6.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  3. Buffed in certain areas, nerfed in others (1 vote [0.61%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.61%

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Eric11082000 #1 Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:44 AM

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So the Leopard 1 was meant to be all about that gun right? Powercreep has left the Leopard 1 in the dust and it really feels outdated compared to the newer mediums such as the stb1 and amx30b. The Leopard 1 is not best in class at anything meaningful and it really shows in gameplay. I appreciate the high level skill cap of the tank (I have three marks on the tank) but there are so many situations where the Leo just cannot perform any where near as well as other mediums. The 30b used to be a tank similar to the leopard but since the buffs (the accuracy and pen nerf honestly makes difference), the 30b is just flat out better. Hell I went on the test server to try the 30b and could manage 4-5k damage consistently over a period of 25 games. The Leo suffers so much from the god awful soft stats. Having to stop and aim (albeit for a short time) to even stand a chance of landing a shot just doesn't compare to the 140 or 62a which can hit shots reliably from 300+ metres on the move. Even after aiming, the 0.29 stated accuracy really doesn't feel as such most of the time. And if you move the tracks while aiming, dont even think about hitting the target, even at ranges less than 100m - the shell will just fall out the barrel and land 3m in front of you. Dont even get me started on arty.

 

The complete lack of armour really doesn't bother me, in fact I often play in cities (call me crazy but it avoids the bullcrap that is arty), but the fact I will often miss sitters at less than 150m rubs me the wrong way. So I propose a buff to the Leopard 1. If the tank really is about the gun, at least give it an A-tier gun which will at least give it an advantage in some situations over any other tank.


Edited by Eric11082000, 23 January 2018 - 01:08 AM.


_T_1_T_4_N_0_ #2 Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:50 AM

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Why the soft stats on move & turret movement can not be buffed is a mystery to me.
Or make it the Leopard 1A1 with the extra turret armor.

 

dimethylcadmium #3 Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:59 AM

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Oh they will buff it....in 2020 maybe

 

until then, your only choice is to play glorious commie hovermeds or to be cannon fodder



brumbarr #4 Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:00 AM

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WG said themselfes the Leo is a very good tank and would be OP if buffed. 

Eric11082000 #5 Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:06 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 23 January 2018 - 01:00 AM, said:

WG said themselfes the Leo is a very good tank and would be OP if buffed. 

 

In what way?

Sebenza #6 Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:14 AM

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View PostEric11082000, on 23 January 2018 - 01:06 AM, said:

 

In what way?

Apparently the Leo is pretty darn good at shooting at targets ouside the render range. In that, it really fills a niche and any buff will make it op:teethhappy:



brumbarr #7 Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:27 AM

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View PostEric11082000, on 23 January 2018 - 01:06 AM, said:

 

In what way?

 

I quote WG:

 

The Leopard is very strong, a good sniper from 2nd or 3rd line. If you are the first one to get spotted, you won’t do so well, but with that penetration, accuracy, camouflage it is a great all-rounder and it would be too OP if we buffed it.



Tinbawx #8 Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:35 AM

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Let´s just hope they never take away satelite view from arty. Imagine Leo with 200mm howitzer :ohmy:.

TurnedToDust #9 Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:42 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 23 January 2018 - 01:27 AM, said:

 

I quote WG:

 

The Leopard is very strong, a good sniper from 2nd or 3rd line. If you are the first one to get spotted, you won’t do so well, but with that penetration, accuracy, camouflage it is a great all-rounder and it would be too OP if we buffed it.

 

Ironicly  those are the exact points I feel it's lacking.

fighting_falcon93 #10 Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:29 AM

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I can see that we have 1 WG developer here who have voted "No" :D

dimethylcadmium #11 Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:37 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 23 January 2018 - 01:27 AM, said:

 

I quote WG:

 

The Leopard is very strong, a good sniper from 2nd or 3rd line. If you are the first one to get spotted, you won’t do so well, but with that penetration, accuracy, camouflage it is a great all-rounder and it would be too OP if we buffed it.

 

Someone notify that WG employee 2nd and 3rd line "snipers" are.................*drum roll*..........MAJORITY OF TANK DESTROYERS!

Eric11082000 #12 Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:40 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 23 January 2018 - 01:27 AM, said:

 

I quote WG:

 

The Leopard is very strong, a good sniper from 2nd or 3rd line. If you are the first one to get spotted, you won’t do so well, but with that penetration, accuracy, camouflage it is a great all-rounder and it would be too OP if we buffed it.

 

Would explain the 46% win rate :mellow:

enu_ #13 Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:41 AM

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3rd line is arty

TurnedToDust #14 Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:53 AM

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View PostEric11082000, on 23 January 2018 - 02:40 AM, said:

 

Would explain the 46% win rate :mellow:

 

Lucky you.

Eric11082000 #15 Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:56 AM

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View PostTurnedToDust, on 23 January 2018 - 02:53 AM, said:

 

Lucky you.

 

I mean overall for the whole community

Shaade_Silentpaw #16 Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:17 AM

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For sure.

They should update the model to the Leopard 1A1 with it's stronger turret, similar to what they did with the M48 Patton.



Hiisi #17 Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:48 AM

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Leopard 1 dont need better armor. There is a place for class cannon medium in this game.

  • -10 depression (old -9)
  • A lot better gunhandling (at minimium e50m levels of gunhandling stats) (0.14 moving, 0.14 traverse and 0.08 turret) (old 0.18, 0.18, 0.08)
  • 0.25 accuracy (old 0.30)
  • 280+ penetration (old 268)
  • bit better gamo values (old were a bit poor)


leggasiini #18 Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:28 AM

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View PostDumbNumpty, on 23 January 2018 - 01:50 AM, said:

Or make it the Leopard 1A1 with the extra turret armor.

 

View PostShaade_Silentpaw, on 23 January 2018 - 07:17 AM, said:

For sure.

They should update the model to the Leopard 1A1 with it's stronger turret, similar to what they did with the M48 Patton.

 

So...make literally every tier 10 medium a generic hull down machine?



Dr_Oolen #19 Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:44 AM

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Hell no! It would be too OP if buffed and it would completely ruin the currently perfect balance at T10!

Cobra6 #20 Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:54 AM

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Leopard 1 needs dispersion values that make long range snapshots possible.

 

Dispersion on the move and on tank traverse is currently 0.17, twice as high as the Obj140 and 0.4=>0.7 higher than other T10 mediums.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 23 January 2018 - 08:57 AM.






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