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Quintentje1998 #1 Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:22 PM

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So I was playing with the obj 430 v2 and I had these 2 shots the one on the T34 was heat and the one on the Jpanther was with ap can you guys explain how this happened

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Dava_117 #2 Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:27 PM

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View PostQuintentje1998, on 23 January 2018 - 06:22 PM, said:

So I was playing with the obj 430 v2 and I had these 2 shots the one on the T34 was heat and the one on the Jpanther was with ap can you guys explain how this happened

 

On JPanther, you hit the gun barrel and, because after hitting a tank part (armour or module is not different) a shell keep flying for 10 time his caliber, so 1.52m for your tank, the shot was absorbed.

For the second one I would say a very low roll on pen, or a discrepancy between what showed in the client (and so showed in this mod) and what really happened. You may have hit the gun (so the jet lost all his penetration) or a place where the mantlet overlay a thick primary armour, hence no pen.


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Laatikkomafia #3 Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:34 PM

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According to tanks.gg, the area just above the T34's gun has 550mm of armor.

Spurtung #4 Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:38 PM

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That awkwardly frequent moment where someone with information has no clue what to do with it to draw their own conclusions.

Quintentje1998 #5 Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:45 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 23 January 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

 

On JPanther, you hit the gun barrel and, because after hitting a tank part (armour or module is not different) a shell keep flying for 10 time his caliber, so 1.52m for your tank, the shot was absorbed.

For the second one I would say a very low roll on pen, or a discrepancy between what showed in the client (and so showed in this mod) and what really happened. You may have hit the gun (so the jet lost all his penetration) or a place where the mantlet overlay a thick primary armour, hence no pen.

 

both shots penned

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 January 2018 - 05:34 PM, said:

According to tanks.gg, the area just above the T34's gun has 550mm of armor.

 

On tanks.gg, the upper armour of a Badger has 355 armour. But it seems to be penned by every med going.

Dava_117 #7 Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:54 PM

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View PostQuintentje1998, on 23 January 2018 - 06:45 PM, said:

 

both shots penned

 

Then I don't see the point...

Is that just a showcase? :amazed:



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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 January 2018 - 05:34 PM, said:

According to tanks.gg, the area just above the T34's gun has 550mm of armor.

 

Now wouldn't it be funny if someone released an aimbot programmed to shoot at that and similar ones on other tanks.

blaster1112 #9 Posted 23 January 2018 - 07:00 PM

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For the T34: that ring just around the gun is 279mm armor with NO armor behind it. So that one is luck (a bit higher and it would have hit a double 279mm layer...)

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so that is one magical shot explained now for the ap shot on the Jpanter which also penned

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View PostQuintentje1998, on 23 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

so that is one magical shot explained now for the ap shot on the Jpanter which also penned

 

It may be similar to what I described for T34 before: client- server discrepancy. You may have hit a bit on the right so missed the gun or hit it closer to the primary armour, so you penned. With 293 pen, it should be butter like.

Edited by Dava_117, 23 January 2018 - 07:09 PM.


Quintentje1998 #12 Posted 23 January 2018 - 07:13 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 23 January 2018 - 06:08 PM, said:

 

It may be similar to what I described for T34 before: client- server discrepancy. You may have hit a bit on the right so missed the gun or hit it closer to the primary armour, so you penned. With 293 pen, it should be butter like.

 

had 201 pen and I definitely hit the muzzle brake



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View PostQuintentje1998, on 23 January 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

 

had 201 pen and I definitely hit the muzzle brake

 

My fault, get confused with all this numbers on soviet tree.

201 is enought to pen the central area of the mantlet. I also see your client registered a shot hitting the muzzle brake, but the server may have a different version and is this one that count, not what your server showed and recorded on replay.


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View PostQuintentje1998, on 23 January 2018 - 06:22 PM, said:

So I was playing with the obj 430 v2 and I had these 2 shots the one on the T34 was heat and the one on the Jpanther was with ap can you guys explain how this happened

 

It is entirely possible that this viewer also does not provide accurate data, and might now show what actually happened on the server. As mentioned, it could very well be a discrepancy between what you see on client and what actually happened according to server. More likely you did not hit the gun barrel (muzzle break) on that Jagdpanther, but hit the gun further back which counts a hit model. I recently received a similar penetration on my E-50 where the penetration mark ran length wise across the barrel and saukopf (frontal shot), and counted as a penetrating, damaging shot.

 

Checking tanks.gg for JagdPanther hitting the muzzle break would indeed result in shot being absorbed, but even a tiny bit to the side (and a shallow angle) and you basically have a 100% guaranteed penetration. The T-34 indeed has a small strip of 279 mm armor (mantlet only) right around the gun.







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