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Procjon #1 Posted 24 January 2018 - 12:01 AM

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So we will have new update coming but last few days i have games as presented on the picture, they are like 90% of my games. I see this trend more and more with each update, more often one team get fast win/loss. 

 

Does it mean WOT wants to become some sort of Need For Speed? maybe racing between tanks will be next? just wonder....

 

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jack_timber #2 Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:00 AM

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Yes had these, not 90% though, maybe 10 to 20%....

If your team can coordinate, now that's another story though, and stop the initial push by a few fast meds and lights then the inevitable can be avoided. 

I reckon, only a guess though, that "others" don't look at minimap to see the overall picture of the battle  as it unfolds.

They only tunnel vision as to what's in front of them and to be honest I have been guilty of this at times.



Jigabachi #3 Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:50 AM

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I didn't notice a change but those one-sided steamrolls happen since many years already. I'd say it's 50:50, maybe even more.

Merton15 #4 Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:13 AM

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One side gets their sh*t together, one side doesn't. Nothing new here. Oh and 15-5 is not a steamroll, I have been on both sides of a 15-0 before. My record was when I did more damage than my entire team combined. I didn't do my own hit points in damage.

Homer_J #5 Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:32 AM

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View PostProcjon, on 23 January 2018 - 11:01 PM, said:

So we will have new update coming but last few days i have games as presented on the picture, they are like 90% of my games. I see this trend more and more with each update, more often one team get fast win/loss. 

 

They keep mirroring the teams more and more which means there's less room for mistakes.  3-5-7 makes it even worse because if you lose one of the top tanks you have a hard time coming back.



Xenasys #6 Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:40 AM

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Its not just the updates the specials have brought a lot of people back into the game to rape and pillage newer players,

added to that a lot of newer players playing at levels above their skill set including me, though just had a 6 week holiday so only played two games recently

 

Lets see what happens after the update tbh cant see anything improving so just have to suck it up



TankkiPoju #7 Posted 24 January 2018 - 10:18 AM

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IMO the increased steam rolls are due to several things:

 

- tank matching with 3-5-7 MM, where both teams have equal number of top tier heavies and TDs, for example. Badger vs FV4005 on a city map, or Super Conq vs E5 in hull down maps. Guess which side has advantage.

- no new maps and people are slowly learning them. Several maps are VERY unbalanced due to the fact people know strategies that generally work in their favor.

- player skill gap is growing steadily especially in higher tiers. Which mean the potatoes dont learn anything while most players generally get better. And if you have a top tier 45% platoon, guess which side is most likely going to win.

- WG refuses to ban most bot accounts, probably because they have premium tanks and/or time.


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Hammerhead20 #8 Posted 24 January 2018 - 10:29 AM

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With each upcoming update, this game is getting worse and worse...



pipik_roman #9 Posted 24 January 2018 - 12:03 PM

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View PostProcjon, on 23 January 2018 - 11:01 PM, said:

So we will have new update coming but last few days i have games as presented on the picture, they are like 90% of my games. I see this trend more and more with each update, more often one team get fast win/loss. 

 

Does it mean WOT wants to become some sort of Need For Speed? maybe racing between tanks will be next? just wonder....

 

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Well you should ask players with 0 damage why it happened. It has nothing with updates

Procjon #10 Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:07 PM

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The sample is small so far but it's growing. So far i did 100 games and divided by Rape Wins or Rape loss. Rape Win/Loss means that players count at the end of the game was 10-15 on winning side and 0 on loosing. So it is 10-15:0.

 

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I guess almost 37% of games being fast "rape" games is too much.



AliceUnchained #11 Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:10 PM

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View PostProcjon, on 24 January 2018 - 12:01 AM, said:

they are like 90% of my games. I see this trend more and more with each update, more often one team get fast win/loss. 

 

Of course you do. It really isn't some highly exaggerated made up number... Not at all.

 

 


Procjon #12 Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:10 PM

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View Postpipik_roman, on 24 January 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

 

Well you should ask players with 0 damage why it happened. It has nothing with updates

 

It has everything to do with updates as updates bring more and more MM changing. If the MM puts you in the basket of tomatoes then you have results as i posted. We as humans are not perfect but as we say in engineering world. It is not the fault of the human being making errors but it is a fault of the system that allows to make those errors.

NoPoet406 #13 Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:35 PM

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Since starting a thread myself about supposedly fixed matchmaker, it's become clear that there are some games (who knows what percentage?) where you simply cannot do anything - the enemy team will steamroller you. We all know the "lemming train" teams that camp at base, abandon flanks, ignore requests for help, forget about the objective. We also all have bad games where we die with 0 damage for one reason or another. Those are the downsides of this game. And they are apparently getting worse, not better (or does it seem like that because I'm paying more attention these days?).

 

On the other hand, there are always things we can do to make sure our own performance is good enough so that even if we get railroaded, the only important stat that suffers is win rate. For example, use a tank that suits you, fight at a tier that suits you - although constantly getting bottom tier does screw that up. Since dropping down to tier 3 and re-buying the old and much-hated (by me) Cruiser IV, I found that I've improved so much I got 9 fire for effects and IIRC 9 victories out of 11 games, with up to 3 kills per battle. My stats rocketed and I played at 1500 WN8. Even in the losing battles I got kills and did hundreds of damage. It's these we must hold onto during the bad times.

 

Let's finish with the words of Captain Picard:

 



8126Jakobsson #14 Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:52 PM

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Do anyone know what they added/fixed today? It loaded for just a few seconds and I didn't notice what it was. 

P33K #15 Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:55 PM

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Not really 90% of games (yesterday maybe 30-40% though), but I've had my share of these increasing quick steamrolls.

Its simply not fun whichever side you are on. Makes it hard to make sufficient damage on many tanks, grinding suffers, etc. Can't really imagine anybody even learns anything from them.

Bordhaw #16 Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:09 PM

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View PostXenasys, on 24 January 2018 - 08:40 AM, said:

added to that a lot of newer players playing at tiers above their skill set including me

 

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Enforcer1975 #17 Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:52 PM

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It's the same crap every day lately....it only changes when you are lucky enough not to get an entire team of morons every game.

adrianm40 #18 Posted 24 January 2018 - 11:29 PM

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 Right now when you enter in a battle , you fight against 2 enemy teams. One red with 15 or 30 tanks and another one invizible ( WG team ) . I belive that WG algorithm chose what team to win when thei take 15%  to 25 % pen and dmg from one team and give another team plus 15% to 25% ( thei call this RNG ). I remember reading an articole and one idiot ( in my opinion ) from WG who said that " without RNG this game would be boring , and people will stop playng ". And about the picture from the first post i blame WG for this becouse i see too many battle with 15-0 and 15-2 , even in tier 10 , and 15-0 in tier 10 its imposible without WG intervention . I remember one time with Grille 15 i shot 2 times in a tier 10 light frech tank and i did 0 dmg ( in side of the tank ) , one trak him and another did critical hit . And i wtach the score and i understand way , it was 20 - 2 . So thx WG for ruined the fun of playng this game .

Baldrickk #19 Posted 24 January 2018 - 11:56 PM

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Are there really more roflstomps?

 

View PostBaldrickk, on 19 January 2018 - 02:35 AM, said:

 

You need more data.

Here you go:

One of these is from pre-0.9.18 data.

The other is from post-0.9.18 data.

I'll let you guess which is which right?

 

This is my personal data, others may differ.

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edit: I've added this to the tool, but only for the replays read.  I had to export the data to combine it, hence the Excel graph here.

Some graphs from the tool for different players:

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