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Tomyslaf, on 13 December 2011 - 08:35 AM, said:

1) At school.
2) Double negatives are WRONG.
3) Trolling.
4) I was giving CURRENT damage to compare with new damage
5) how much of dmg how much damage
6) Less damage.

SlicerDicer, on 13 December 2011 - 12:26 PM, said:

yeah but you compared different guns shooting different targets.
to be exact:
derp kv -> löwe(side)   54% damage
m4 derp -> tiger(front) 15-20% damage

if you want to show anything have at least *some* identical test parameters

SlicerDicer, on 13 December 2011 - 12:26 PM, said:

really, and you are professor of English language? or what? and this is English class?

i have newer learn not to write not to speak English in school, and i can understood anything what is written on forum, not i have need to be smart ass ( like you, what you have small di.k or what so you think you are called to teach other peoples? )...

dmg = damage = shortened, and only morons don't know that...

and btw, again you give no new data... so? what was the point of your post?

and btw = by the way, so no need to correct me here either  

and all only know to say less dmg, less dmg...

HOW MUCH LESS...

what can do KV with big derp now to KT or TIGER??

How many shots to kill TIGER??

p.s.

i am not offending nobody, i only want to know what can i expect from me most fun tanks and main money makers

Tomyslaf, on 13 December 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Wasn't commenting on your use of shortened forms, but your placement of 'have'.
KV 152 damage on KT front with new calculation: 910/2-150*1,3: 260.
Used to be 300-400.

SlicerDicer, on 14 December 2011 - 10:50 AM, said:

Thanx, so, not quite useless... and if i read correct if we hit weak point in new patch dmg will be even bigger?

And how is with arty? less dmg?

SlicerDicer, on 14 December 2011 - 10:50 AM, said:

whats the problem. a t5 tank that does 300-400 on a t8 tank on the front is way too much.
260 damage is reasonable. i dont see any problem

dachlatte, on 14 December 2011 - 07:16 PM, said:

we are talking about 152 mm gun... thats allot of fire power no matter tier

Tomyslaf, on 14 December 2011 - 07:24 PM, said:

a few posts earlier i uploaded a screen shot of me using the derp kv. it still has ALOT of firepower in 7.0

These posts and polls are pointless.

Wargaming implements stuff for specific reasons. It doesn't really matter if this happens because they want to milk ppl for gold or because they genuinely felt the previous HE system was flawed. It is done. It won't be undone. Classic response to any complaint is "It is working as intended". Even the PzIV turning bug was "working as intended" until the latest patch "corrected the rare bug with the PzIV turning radius". The radius which was "working as intended". It doesn't matter if it actually is working as intended or if it is flawed and everyone can see it but WG doesn't want to admit so. Waste of time trying to express your opinions using arguments and polls. You think I'm exaggerating? What has the WoT community whined about most about since the neolithic age? Matchmaking and spotting. What has been done up to now to improve these 2 issues? A little tweak on the MM (which had no appreciable difference for me but it could just be me) and nothing about the spotting. Instead WG gave us "birds on the trees" in the latest patch. All my gripes with the game are over because of that important improvement.

What I'm trying to say here is that threads of this type have no result. WG is going to do what WG is going to do n not give a frag about your polls, opinions and arguments. Only things that a thread like this accomplishes is letting some people vent and some other people troll and sport the classic "gtfo n00b,l2p" line, which is so old it's not even funny. Because excuse me but I don't consider people that suggest that you can flank with the SU-152 or aim with the 0.48 accuracy HE gun of the M4 as anything else but trolls. The same goes for people that say that it's normal for a T-50 to bounce an 152mm HE shot. You know what a frigging HE shot is? It's a shot that explodes on impact. If it bounced, it means it impacted. If it impacted, it means it exploded. If it exploded, something will have been damaged. So a HE shot "bouncing" and causing no damage is high nigh the most ridiculous concept there is. It could be absorbed by the armour if it was thick enough, true.  But clearly that is not the case with the T-50's 37mm of armour so quite simply, THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. Frankly, a hit on a tank with the size and (lack of) armor of the T-50 by an 152mm HE round should disintegrate it on the spot just due to the force of the shockwave. So all these realism arguments are pretty ridiculous. After all, it's not like the game is a hardcore simulator. Realism is (very) often bent for the sake of fun. Which is normal and I fully accept it. But pls don't tell me that it was unrealistic that a HE gun could take out a healthy chunk of hp pre-0.7.0 and it's now realistic that you can have incidents like bouncing a HE shot on an almost unarmored tank. Even if the previous system was flawed (which I don't think it was), it's still flawed now, just in a different way. A way that renders a number of tanks much less fun to play. So you will excuse me for preferring the flawed but fun system over the flawed but atrocious system.

If you want to make a statement about the quality of the game changes, stop paying for premium, stop playing the game altogether, don't buy premium shells/tanks or in general follow a course of action that makes WG bleed money. By creating polls, expressing civilized opinions and trying to sway their and their fanboys' opinions in a normal way, you accomplish one fat zero. Everything is "working as intended" and "l2p n00bs". And ofc those that will tell you l2p will offer a multitude of vague "strategies" for how to play (like the oh so classic "don't dish it out in the front line, follow the heavies and support their attack" or the priceless "your most important weapon is not your gun but your radio and binos", like people want to play a tank that does nothing but try to escape detection and death instead of at least being able to defend itself), "strategies" that make them sound experienced and able  but don't help you one bit. You think that threads and polls like this will sway the opinion of people that believe they are God's gift to tanking and the rest of us just noobs that need to l2p? Or the opinions of game devs who feel that everything is "working as intended", even if a large chunk of the community (yes, I'm talking about you, the ppl that pay to support this game and their jobs) can clearly see there's an issue? Let me help you there: it won't. Not in a million years. I mean, over 70% of around 500 ppl have said they believe the new system is bad but all some fanboys have to say is that the poll is biased. It would be, if the thread title was "Do you hate or just dislike the new HE system". Not now.

I don't care what they do with the game. I'm not paying for it ergo I don't care. Quite simply because I feel the game has amazing potential but is in its heart a flawed game that is not worth paying for in its current form. Those of you that pay for it though should imho demand more from the product you buy with your money. I know I do from the MMO's I pay to access.

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I love the birds

rancidpunk, on 21 December 2011 - 01:20 PM, said:

where?

i don't see them  

I saw birds!

OT: I have had 5 bounces with the top GW Panther gun on heavily armoured opponents.
The sincerely stupidest thing was this:

Load AP: Shoot IS4 drivers hatch. Ding!
Load HE: Shoot IS4 in turret. 0%
Load HE: Shoot IS4 on side. 1%
Load HE: Shoot IS7 on pike. 0%
This was with the BL9 on the IS3.

Paddy Eos my friend, I am surprised to see you caring so much about HE since I still remember you saying to the newer clan members "When you know where to shoot each tank, you will never need anything but standard AP".

What you said back then was true, I have had so many seemingly impossible penetrations, I really wonder why people still bother with HE. I have always thought of HE spam as noob resort for people who auto-aim.


Yes SU-152 is a special case and I have it myself with the stock gun. I found HE shells doing just fine, all you have to do is aim at targets that are busy with your team mates and turn their side to you, use a cynical approach by disengaging, retreating and selecting a different target. Random battles are so chaotic, that there are always som lonely stragglers to finish off.

I think that the damage from HE get reduced is good. especially, if you not penetrade with it, Why you should have a miracleammo???

otherwise noone would drive slow big tanks anymore, that are these who you can hit easily with HE-guns and all others easy too,
best example is the MAUS, all just go for the fast stuff
for example, the KV152 makes ~250 damage against T9, even on front, 300+ from not perfect angeled side (were your 107mm wouldn´t penetrate)
is this not enought against strongestarmored stuff, that weights (MM-weight) 5 times more than you

and if just much stronger waits for you, you have to be smarter than these heavy stuff, so AP on side/rear is the solution, that your team    should  drive,
I scream now: "AND NOT JUST CAMP AND LET HIGHESTTIER MAKE THEIR FIGHT, AND THEN THE WINNER BLOW UP ALL WEAKER STUFF"
and HE just for special guns, or maybe an KV-3/IS with the 122mm
seems like you had really much unluck Slicer, cause 3-8% are always against a IS-4 and E-75 possible (front), just not shot the ground^^
and the best is, that these guys often not even hide from you, cause they just think that you let your AP bounce on them

you still can track with HE awesome good


PS: by the way, I read somewhere the first step of HE-algorythm is penetrating (or not) like AP , means with hitangle, but why all guns from one caliber have same HE-penetration, if AP-penetration has a big difference
(both ammunitions have same speed of shells on one gun, but shells from longer,better penetration guns are faster)

HE is worthless on any gun under 15cm..and even then.