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TheWarrener #1 Posted 24 January 2018 - 11:03 AM

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I can't be the only one refusing to buy any after they destroyed matchmaking. Or am I? Please tell me I'm not. What enjoyment do people get from getting rotflstomped by tier Xs over and over again?



Scotviking1968 #2 Posted 24 January 2018 - 11:08 AM

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your question would have validity if there actually has been a decrease in the sale of T8 prems.  do you have any data at all to justify the thought ?

RSAGhost #3 Posted 24 January 2018 - 11:20 AM

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Tier 8 MM IS a joke from when they intreduced the new "improved matchmaker"i really like most of my tier 8 premiums but its not fun playing against tier x 95 % of the time but i dont have a choice how must i earn credits it also feels like credit income have been nerfed.Did 4k in my strv1 made 60k credits?



Balc0ra #4 Posted 24 January 2018 - 11:20 AM

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Well the last few tier 8 premiums was nothing special or strong vs some of the other recent tanks. I suspect the next one will not be as special either if it's the ELC 90 with those stats. MM aside, if the tank is strong enough to handle +2, they will sell them still. And of late, that's not been the case.

 

View PostScotviking1968, on 24 January 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

your question would have validity if there actually has been a decrease in the sale of T8 prems.  do you have any data at all to justify the thought ?

 

CDA 105 sold 14K on EU, VK 168.02 sold 20K, T92 sold 23K, Guard and STG sold 27 combined. So if you make them "meh" or to weak. They won't buy then. As there are plenty of stats sites for population. And CC reviews have impacted some I suspect. As most did slaughter the CDA 105 even with the good pen.

 

For comparison the Defender and 252U sold 60K combined, the T26E5 and the Patriot sold over 110K combined. The WZ120 1G FT has 40K and the S1 has 90 000 owners on EU. If the gun or armor works for tier X, and borderline OP as top tier, more will get it. As some of those had "OP" forum hype that helps out to.


Edited by Balc0ra, 24 January 2018 - 11:21 AM.


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View PostScotviking1968, on 24 January 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

your question would have validity if there actually has been a decrease in the sale of T8 prems.  do you have any data at all to justify the thought ?

I don't. I stated this in OP. Thing is, if there isn't a decrease, we have a problem. There should have been a decrease. It's logical. But I guess nothing that even

slightly connects with Wargaming can be logical. 


Edited by TheWarrener, 24 January 2018 - 11:26 AM.


spuriousmonkey #6 Posted 24 January 2018 - 11:29 AM

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Making a premium tank doesn't cost WG a lot.

 

If they alternate between OP and regular premium tanks, the lowered sales of the regular ones will still be profitable. And then they release an OP one again, and everyone and their dog wants one.

 

It's a cycle. 

 

Not every premium tank has to top the previous one to make profit. They all make profit.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 24 January 2018 - 11:20 AM, said:

CDA 105 sold 14K on EU, VK 168.02 sold 20K, T92 sold 23K, Guard and STG sold 27 combined. So if you make them "meh" or to weak. They won't buy then.

 

Not to doubt this, but where are these numbers from.

 

Personally I think T92 is among the best premium tanks I have ever bought. It's purely because it's so fun to play. I agree it's not exactly a strong tank otherwise.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 24 January 2018 - 11:43 AM.


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I bought two tier 8 premiums in December so no I don't think that there are any decrease in sales :hiding:

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View PostBalc0ra, on 24 January 2018 - 11:20 AM, said:

CDA 105 sold 14K on EU, VK 168.02 sold 20K, T92 sold 23K, Guard and STG sold 27 combined. So if you make them "meh" or to weak. They won't buy then. As there are plenty of stats sites for population. And CC reviews have impacted some I suspect. As most did slaughter the CDA 105 even with the good pen.

 

For comparison the Defender and 252U sold 60K combined, the T26E5 and the Patriot sold over 110K combined. The WZ120 1G FT has 40K and the S1 has 90 000 owners on EU. If the gun or armor works for tier X, and borderline OP as top tier, more will get it. As some of those had "OP" forum hype that helps out to.

 

would you pls post your source, I find such numbers very interesting



arthurwellsley #10 Posted 24 January 2018 - 12:15 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 24 January 2018 - 10:20 AM, said:

Well the last few tier 8 premiums was nothing special or strong vs some of the other recent tanks. I suspect the next one will not be as special either if it's the ELC 90 with those stats. MM aside, if the tank is strong enough to handle +2, they will sell them still. And of late, that's not been the case.

 

 

CDA 105 sold 14K on EU, VK 168.02 sold 20K, T92 sold 23K, Guard and STG sold 27 combined. So if you make them "meh" or to weak. They won't buy then. As there are plenty of stats sites for population. And CC reviews have impacted some I suspect. As most did slaughter the CDA 105 even with the good pen.

 

For comparison the Defender and 252U sold 60K combined, the T26E5 and the Patriot sold over 110K combined. The WZ120 1G FT has 40K and the S1 has 90 000 owners on EU. If the gun or armor works for tier X, and borderline OP as top tier, more will get it. As some of those had "OP" forum hype that helps out to.

 

What is interesting about these figures is the date each tank hit the market. The CDA 105 and the WZ 120 1G FT I recall as being sold almost simultaneously. The T-92 was sold at the beginning of December and the VK 168.02 at the end of December 2017. The T26E5/Patriot and the AMX M4 mle.49/AMX 1949 Liberte (60,476) have both been on re-sale post Christmas 2017. It would therefore seem that the statistics of the tank and the reviews about it play a far larger part in the sales than almost any other factor.

 

Personally I bought the T-92 as I enjoy light tanks. It is fun to play, just not very good.  It could do with a buff.

 

source = https://en.wot-life....eu/serverstats/


Edited by arthurwellsley, 24 January 2018 - 12:16 PM.


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No because there are still plenty of people at tier 6 who think they will always be top tier if they get a tier 8.

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 24 January 2018 - 12:43 PM, said:

Not to doubt this, but where are these numbers from.

 

Server stats, e.g. https://wot-life.com/eu/serverstats/

 

So not exactly "sales" numbers, just how many players have played those tanks so far. Also not directly comparable as tanks have been available for different timeframes and via different channels (e.g. Wz and S1 are available for gold, Patriot was in the xmas-boxes), but still a good indicator.



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 24 January 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

 

What is interesting about these figures is the date each tank hit the market. The CDA 105 and the WZ 120 1G FT I recall as being sold almost simultaneously. The T-92 was sold at the beginning of December and the VK 168.02 at the end of December 2017. The T26E5/Patriot and the AMX M4 mle.49/AMX 1949 Liberte (60,476) have both been on re-sale post Christmas 2017. It would therefore seem that the statistics of the tank and the reviews about it play a far larger part in the sales than almost any other factor.

 

Personally I bought the T-92 as I enjoy light tanks. It is fun to play, just not very good.  It could do with a buff.

 

source = https://en.wot-life....eu/serverstats/

 

Patriot etc have been sold multiple times to jump their sales. But has forum hype on top of it. T92, 105 and 168 have only been sold the one time. But I suspect T92 getting early in Dec has something to do with it it's numbers, vs the VK getting late after most have spend money on boxes and the calendar. Plus he had zero hype.

 

 

View PostTankkiPoju, on 24 January 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

Personally I think T92 is among the best premium tanks I have ever bought. It's purely because it's so fun to play. I agree it's not exactly a strong tank otherwise.

 

T92 had a bit of negative hype on the forum to. So that could have affected some. CC's were a mixed bag on the reviews on that. For me the best tier 8 premium of the recent sales atm is the CDA 105. And it's the least sold of the recent tier 8's. But that was sold right after most got a free crew trainer via the 155. As most buy premiums for crew training to, not just income. And when that need is gone. Well.

 

View PostGeno1isme, on 24 January 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

So not exactly "sales" numbers, just how many players have played those tanks so far.

 

True. You gotta consider that the E5 was in the Holiday ops boxes. But compared to the last numbers before Xmas, they did not spike as much as the Type or the Skorp did "Type jumped by 30K". But as you said. Still a good pointer, as not every tank on that list has been given for free. Even if they were gifted, it's still a sale.

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 24 January 2018 - 12:48 PM.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 24 January 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

T92 had a bit of negative hype on the forum to. So that could have affected some. CC's were a mixed bag on the reviews on that. For me the best tier 8 premium of the recent sales atm is the CDA 105. And it's the least sold of the recent tier 8's. But that was sold right after most got a free crew trainer via the 155. As most buy premiums for crew training to, not just income. And when that need is gone. Well.

 

Yeah, popularity of premium tanks is partially depending on the popularity of the relevant techtree lines. And as the US lights are certainly more popular than the french TDs the T92 gets a bonus over the CDA. And while german heavies are also popular, they already have the Löwe as permanently available option for crewtraining so there is not much reason to get the Mauerbrecher for that purpose. It had to depend on its vehicle stats which couldn't compete with the VK100. So in the end it's basically a collectors-only tank.

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 24 January 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

True. You gotta consider that the E5 was in the Holiday ops boxes. But compared to the last numbers before Xmas, they did not spike as much as the Type or the Skorp did "Type jumped by 30K". But as you said. Still a good pointer, as not every tank on that list has been given for free. Even if they were gifted, it's still a sale.

 

Well, with the Patriot (and the Liberte) there are also those cases where people had support replace their skinned version for a non-skinned version when the latter became available, not sure how those are reflected in the stats. But that's probably an insignificant number anyway.



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 24 January 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

 

Not to doubt this, but where are these numbers from.

 

Personally I think T92 is among the best premium tanks I have ever bought. It's purely because it's so fun to play. I agree it's not exactly a strong tank otherwise.

 

I find the T92 fun but a bit weak, mostly because of the gun, although it has good aiming stats, the lack of alpha and the ridiculously expensive premium ammo.

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How can people make these comments after the Christmas event saw an explosion of Type 59's?  People spent literally hundreds to get their hands on them.

Edited by malachi6, 24 January 2018 - 01:11 PM.


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View Postmalachi6, on 24 January 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

How can people make these comments after the Christmas event saw an explosion of Type 59's?  People spent literally hundreds to get their hands on them.

 

Yes, but that was the hype 59. Not the tier 8's sold in the store as I suspected OP meant.

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Hold up...

 

The point of a Premium Tier 8 tank is:

- To make credits. Loadsa credits

- To train crew. Loadsa crew exp.

Right?

 

The BEST way to farm credits and XP in a T8 Premium tank is to... shoot at Tier X tanks.

 

Perhaps you misunderstand the point of Tier 8 premiums?

They are XP and credit farmers,. not easy win farmers.

So if you got into Tier X matches every time, WG is actually helping you farm...

if you got top tier most games, they would be GG-EZ-LMAO farmers but wouldn't give you nearly the same credit/xp grind potential...

 

Or am I missing something here..?



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View PostSoupFork, on 24 January 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

The BEST way to farm credits and XP in a T8 Premium tank is to... shoot at Tier X tanks.

 

For XP, yes.

For credits, no, as T10 matches will on average result in higher repair and supply bills.



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What he said ^^

 

Damage done to higher tiers does give you more XP but it DOESN'T give any more credits. 400 damage done to a Maus will net you the same credits as 400 damage done to an M6.  

 

Consider also that there is a massive capability gap between a T8 and a T10 - hence it is far harder to dish out damage to higher tier targets due to better armour and/or firepower differences. I would bet that the average T8 premium tank earnings plummet when in T9 or T10 matches due to less damage done, more damage taken and the number of hard targets that bounce regular ammo. Even a stupidly unbalanced tank like the Ob 252 is easy pickings for any T10 driven by someone who isn't an utter Muppet.

 

T8 MM is just a messy turkey shoot for either higher tiers or for those 'balanced' tanks like the Defender, Skorpion, etc. Best avoided IMO for the time being.

 

 


Edited by Gvozdika, 24 January 2018 - 02:47 PM.





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