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Conway Hesh did not pen M46 Pattons hull


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tomosten #1 Posted 24 January 2018 - 01:19 PM

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Conways hesh has 200mm pen. Even at max lowroll (150mm pen) it should pen M46s hull.

 

Or do I just see wrong at the replay? It does hit the hull?

 

Screenshot and replay links added. 1:45 into the battle. Warning no unicum gameplay!

http://wotreplays.eu...n-fv4004_conway

 

 

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Uebergewicht #2 Posted 24 January 2018 - 01:24 PM

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Looking at the Patton´s model, there surely are some areas above 150mm when the hull is angled. And then there is also that tiny hatch that counts as spaced armor and has no hitbox. If you´d hit that, pretty sure he would also only take splash damage. There are probably enough possibilities for a non-pen.

Xaneleon #3 Posted 24 January 2018 - 02:03 PM

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Looking at the replay with the camera mod, you can clearly see your shell hits the top part of the hull. There's a nice little splash hole on it.

That's the ricochet angle of its hull, which in turn makes your HESH do less damage? I hope that makes sense



sabre_ferret #4 Posted 24 January 2018 - 05:52 PM

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I find HESH does not work as it should.  I've seen so many hits to armourless targets doing SFA damage.  I'd stick to AP and tracking shots or a gold round if you're trying for a must kill shot...  



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View Postsabre_ferret, on 24 January 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:

I find HESH does not work as it should.  I've seen so many hits to armourless targets doing SFA damage.  I'd stick to AP and tracking shots or a gold round if you're trying for a must kill shot...  

 

HESH is the Conway's BL 5.5in gold shell. Also the Centurion 7/1's gold shell.

 

The least abusable gold shells in the game because unlike the 183 HESH they don't have a huge damage boost, they just do the same damage as a regular HE shell from any other tank if they pen.

 

Anyway HESH is just an ordinary HE shell with higher pen value so it can't autopen, has no normalisation, loses massive damage to spaced armour & tracks. Generally unreliable as hell because high pen HE is still garbage pen compared to regular AP/APCR.

 

The only reason 183mm gets away with hardly ever penning is because of the massive base damage that at least hits like a heavy tank when it fails to pen.



tomosten #6 Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:25 PM

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View PostUebergewicht, on 24 January 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

Looking at the Patton´s model, there surely are some areas above 150mm when the hull is angled. And then there is also that tiny hatch that counts as spaced armor and has no hitbox. If you´d hit that, pretty sure he would also only take splash damage. There are probably enough possibilities for a non-pen.

 

Angled armour doesnt matter against Hesh. There is no part of the hull that is thicker than 139.7 mm.

Edited by tomosten, 24 January 2018 - 08:28 PM.


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View Posttomosten, on 24 January 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

 

Angled armour doesnt matter against Hesh. There is no part of the hull that is thicker than 139.7 mm.

What do you mean? Hesh has no normalization so angled armour matters more against Hesh. 



nikolaink123 #8 Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:47 PM

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View Posttomosten, on 24 January 2018 - 12:19 PM, said:

Conways hesh has 200mm pen. Even at max lowroll (150mm pen) it should pen M46s hull.

 

Or do I just see wrong at the replay? It does hit the hull?

 

After looking at the replay you can actually see it hits the roof of the hull. (The light blue area on the right side of the hull)

 






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