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9.22 2nd CT: The object 705A was too weak and will be buffed


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Hezs #1 Posted 25 January 2018 - 12:21 PM

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https://thearmoredpa...anges/#comments

 

And the 42 ton medium tank with 300mm+ armor is perfectly fine :D



Obsessive_Compulsive #2 Posted 25 January 2018 - 12:31 PM

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430 pen to 270... oh really said the e50m....

ZlatanArKung #3 Posted 25 January 2018 - 12:35 PM

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 25 January 2018 - 12:31 PM, said:

430 pen to 270... oh really said the e50m....

It was the premium ammo that got buffed,  so whatever.

 

In general, more armour and lower premium shell Penetration.... really what this game needs, or maybe more the exact opposite.


Edited by ZlatanArKung, 25 January 2018 - 12:38 PM.


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They most certainly know what they are doing.

LOL

 

THis is a shitshow of epic proportions.



Uebergewicht #5 Posted 25 January 2018 - 12:36 PM

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 25 January 2018 - 12:31 PM, said:

430 pen to 270... oh really said the e50m....

 

That´s the gold pen. Buffing the gold pen from 248 to 270 on a tier 9 med is perfectly reasonable. The base pen remains at 238mm.

 

705A and 257 changes will be pretty hard to full evaluate before the armor models become visible. Although it appears they didnt change the botched-up 257 V-shaped model with the no-track-damage suspension.

 

 

I´m really disappointed about the 268 v4. By buffing the armor, this thing gets even more ridiculous and will face a (totally justified) rain of gold shells, while the gun is still shite and all the fans of what the Object 263 stood for get the shaft big time, despite months-long protests from all the communities. WG totally listens to feedback, blyats!


Edited by Uebergewicht, 25 January 2018 - 12:39 PM.


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Typical wg stuffs, laughable.

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View PostUebergewicht, on 25 January 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

 

 

I´m really disappointed about the 268 v4. By buffing the armor, this thing gets even more ridiculous and will face a (totally justified) rain of gold shells

 

They are counting on that :unsure:



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good job wargaming ...you are totally retarded to buff 268 v4 armor and obj705a armor..totally patethic and retarded 

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 25 January 2018 - 12:35 PM, said:

It was the premium ammo that got buffed,  so whatever.

 

 

 

View PostUebergewicht, on 25 January 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

 

That´s the gold pen. Buffing the gold pen from 248 to 270 on a tier 9 med is perfectly reasonable. The base pen remains at 238mm.

 

Yes..I am playing on test. E50M has 270 with regular ammo. E50 has 270 with premium. Meanwhile jap tank requires HEAT, maus will laugh and tralalalala ding dong.



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Balc0ra #11 Posted 25 January 2018 - 01:04 PM

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705A was "meh" close up head on for a super heavy that is unless you used the side armor. But we don't know what they buffed yet. As I suspect it's the frontal hull cheeks everyone with gold auto pens when you did sidescrape with it that was a common complaint on RU. But everyone penning you when everyone are in Russian tanks, be it normal or gold ammo is not saying much on how it will work on live. And that's kinda the issue with the CT.

 

Tho that said. 705 stock turret is at least fixed. Still nothing on the 257's sloped hull. But at least it's gold ammo is nerfed.

 

View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 25 January 2018 - 12:44 PM, said:

 

Yes..I am playing on test. E50M has 270 with regular ammo. E50 has 270 with premium. Meanwhile jap tank requires HEAT, maus will laugh and tralalalala ding dong.

 

Most tier 9 meds are in the 270 to 340 area on gold ammo. 248 was the lowest of them all, lower then even the normal rounds of most of them. Sure the E50 has 220 AP pen. But a 10mm increase for gold ammo made no sense when the Chinese WZ-120 has 249 normal AP pen and 340 gold pen on the same caliber. Even the 430 II has 330 on both guns. That's an increase of 129 on the stock one. So 10mm made no sense.


Edited by Balc0ra, 25 January 2018 - 01:07 PM.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 25 January 2018 - 01:04 PM, said:

 

Most tier 9 meds are in the 270 to 340 area on gold ammo. 248 was the lowest of them all, lower then even the normal rounds of most of them. Sure the E50 has 220 AP pen. But a 10mm increase for gold ammo made no sense when the Chinese WZ-120 has 249 normal AP pen and 340 gold pen on the same caliber. Even the 430 II has 330 on both guns. That's an increase of 129 on the stock one. So 10mm made no sense.

 

Have you ever had governments announcements saying taxes are going up by x amount and then after the outrage they say its ok they are only going up by smaller y amount. the people rejoice in their victory. WG did not make a mistake with that 10mm.

 

I dont think 270 is enough but it looks like a great improvement now right?



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Because there wasn't enough goldspam already at tier 10, we need MAOR of it!

 

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View PostCobra6, on 25 January 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

Because there wasn't enough goldspam already at tier 10, we need MAOR of it!

 

Cobra 6

 

I think you are actually completely wrong. The armor will be buffed to a point where shooting gold is as useless as shooting regular ammo, thus the gold spam will actually decrease as you might as well shoot regular ammo at the tank and the result will be the same.

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View PostCobra6, on 25 January 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Because there wasn't enough goldspam already at tier 10, we need MAOR of it!

 

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WG has invented a new form of gameplay.

 

"Pay not to lose" - you are forced to shoot premium rounds against certain tanks and create a vast credit sink forcing you to spend money to remain competitive.


Edited by Infektid, 25 January 2018 - 02:09 PM.


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View PostUebergewicht, on 25 January 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

 

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I´m really disappointed about the 268 v4. By buffing the armor, this thing gets even more ridiculous and will face a (totally justified) rain of gold shells, while the gun is still shite and all the fans of what the Object 263 stood for get the shaft big time, despite months-long protests from all the communities. WG totally listens to feedback, blyats!

 

Yeah they where like, "Da comrade, metrics say not enough gold ammo fired on test server, buff armour, blyats!"

 

Maybe Dr_Oolen is right... Well, at least it has a 250mm weakspot on top.


Edited by Tinbawx, 25 January 2018 - 02:24 PM.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 25 January 2018 - 12:04 PM, said:

705A was "meh" close up head on for a super heavy that is unless you used the side armor. But we don't know what they buffed yet. As I suspect it's the frontal hull cheeks everyone with gold auto pens when you did sidescrape with it that was a common complaint on RU. But everyone penning you when everyone are in Russian tanks, be it normal or gold ammo is not saying much on how it will work on live. And that's kinda the issue with the CT.

 

Tho that said. 705 stock turret is at least fixed. Still nothing on the 257's sloped hull. But at least it's gold ammo is nerfed.

 

 

Most tier 9 meds are in the 270 to 340 area on gold ammo. 248 was the lowest of them all, lower then even the normal rounds of most of them. Sure the E50 has 220 AP pen. But a 10mm increase for gold ammo made no sense when the Chinese WZ-120 has 249 normal AP pen and 340 gold pen on the same caliber. Even the 430 II has 330 on both guns. That's an increase of 129 on the stock one. So 10mm made no sense.

 

They actually did something to the Object 257 armor. If what is said on the blog is true:

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Object 257

  • Changed the 122 mm BL-13-1 A gun’s BR-471BM shell penetration from 340 to 315 mm
  • Lowered side armor thickness

 

So lets see how that "lowered sider armor thickness" will work.

 

Gladly see the 430 will get a more acceptable premium ammo penetration (238->248 was a joke) to at least be more competitive in the "premium spam" world of tanks.

Increase of the hull armor in the other tanks, sure, because why not? Obj 268 v4 didn't had enough armor already. Same with the 705's. Just Russian things right? Still don't know how they came with the idead of nerfing the 257's side armor :o

 



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View PostBalc0ra, on 25 January 2018 - 01:04 PM, said:

705A was "meh" close up head on for a super heavy that is unless you used the side armor. But we don't know what they buffed yet. As I suspect it's the frontal hull cheeks everyone with gold auto pens when you did sidescrape with it that was a common complaint on RU. But everyone penning you when everyone are in Russian tanks, be it normal or gold ammo is not saying much on how it will work on live. And that's kinda the issue with the CT.

 

Tho that said. 705 stock turret is at least fixed. Still nothing on the 257's sloped hull. But at least it's gold ammo is nerfed.

 

 

Most tier 9 meds are in the 270 to 340 area on gold ammo. 248 was the lowest of them all, lower then even the normal rounds of most of them. Sure the E50 has 220 AP pen. But a 10mm increase for gold ammo made no sense when the Chinese WZ-120 has 249 normal AP pen and 340 gold pen on the same caliber. Even the 430 II has 330 on both guns. That's an increase of 129 on the stock one. So 10mm made no sense.

 

The only thing that made the 705a weaker than some other heavies are the absolute garbage gun stats, including the pen ofc. They didn't have to buff the armor tho. For the 430u, i still think it's a bad 113.

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705A needed a buff, you couldn't sidescrape properly in it... what the hell did you do on CT?



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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 25 January 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

705A needed a buff, you couldn't sidescrape properly in it... what the hell did you do on CT?

 

Not sure of you are ironic or not, but ofcourse you cant sidescrape if you overangle masivly :facepalm:




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