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mango91 #1 Posted 25 January 2018 - 01:20 PM

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hey guys,

 

I'm here asking for a clarification about the SH and advance MM.

As far as I knew those matches should have ELO MM, matching clans with similar ELO

 

our Elo (new clan, work still in progress)

 
 Elo
992
X
1047
VIII
 
1138
VI
 

enemy (i.e) ELO

Elo
1219
X
1285
VIII
1141
VI
Elo
1582
X
1497
VIII
1319
VI

 

Now my question:

 

does this mean that there weren't other clans with our points available? Am I missing some values anywhere?

(I'm of course talking about tierX games)



Obsessive_Compulsive #2 Posted 25 January 2018 - 01:24 PM

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View Postmango91, on 25 January 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

hey guys,

 

I'm here asking for a clarification about the SH and advance MM.

As far as I knew those matches should have ELO MM, matching clans with similar ELO

 

our Elo (new clan, work still in progress)

 
 Elo
992
X
1047
VIII
 
1138
VI
 

enemy (i.e) ELO

Elo
1219
X
1285
VIII
1141
VI
Elo
1582
X
1497
VIII
1319
VI

 

Now my question:

 

does this mean that there weren't other clans with our points available? Am I missing some values anywhere?

(I'm of course talking about tierX games)

 

There simply are not enough high rated clans. The mm did not find a clan closer waiting.. just a hunch.

mango91 #3 Posted 25 January 2018 - 01:49 PM

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so the problem is that high ELO clans don't often have enemies at their level

 

thus they're gonna have higher and higher ELO winning vs low skill/ELO clans and the circle starts again...



StinkyStonky #4 Posted 25 January 2018 - 02:50 PM

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You cherry picked one example. It's called an "outlier" and as such you cannot draw any conclusions from it.

 

Following a rather heated discussion last week (about how AWESOME the skill based MM in SHs is) I've taken a closer look at the nature of our opponents over that last 30-50 battles.

 

I've noticed that the enemy team composition is uncannily close to ours ... very similar number of oranges, yellows and greens.

 

We almost never play the same clan more than once.  We did play H4voc twice (on different days) - which was nice, and there was one day that we played the same clan twice (in 15-20 games).

 

However ... every now and then we get thrown a unicorn team.  The other day we got [S1MP] and their blue and purple players steam rolled us in under 3 minutes.  



mango91 #5 Posted 25 January 2018 - 03:03 PM

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You're right on the small sample size of 2 days of clan activity, maybe deep in the week and closer to the weekend the 1k ELO rating clans will pop and fight against us.

I'm asking here on the forum just because I'm having this doubt for months and these last days made me salty.. 

Meeting unicorn in SH is ok (now and then), in advance a little less, you know expecting to be steamrolled when you're fighting for nice resources is bitter

 

Spoiler

 

 



Obsessive_Compulsive #6 Posted 25 January 2018 - 05:37 PM

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View Postmango91, on 25 January 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

You're right on the small sample size of 2 days of clan activity, maybe deep in the week and closer to the weekend the 1k ELO rating clans will pop and fight against us.

I'm asking here on the forum just because I'm having this doubt for months and these last days made me salty.. 

Meeting unicorn in SH is ok (now and then), in advance a little less, you know expecting to be steamrolled when you're fighting for nice resources is bitter

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

you can always turtle maus and badgers... on many maps not even FAMUPACK can dig out that much HP and armor.





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