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mattias4 #1 Posted 26 January 2018 - 03:58 PM

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I think the FV304 really needs a buff,

compared to other arty's at T6 its just to bad.

 

yeah sure it has the best dpm but the pen just boolshit
​also it has the best aiming time but thats just like a .1 s difference

speed is also good but the track traverse is crap and the other T6 artys don't have bad speed either and i find the difference almost irrelevant

 

​good points

~ highest dpm
​~ best aim time by .1s

~ speed

 

​bad points

~ no stun
~ lowest pen
​~ lowest alpha
​~ 500m shooting range
​~ lowest splash
~ lowest view range



Jethro_Grey #2 Posted 26 January 2018 - 04:00 PM

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No arty should ever receive buffs unless it gets buffed into it's own game mode or it gets perma-buffed out of the game.

Balc0ra #3 Posted 26 January 2018 - 04:06 PM

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View PostJethro_Grey, on 26 January 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

No arty should ever receive buffs unless it gets buffed into it's own game mode or it gets perma-buffed out of the game.

 

Considering it can't stun either. It needs something to be useful. As if I see one on the enemy team, I know I can push hard as I won't get stunned. Nor will he do more then 50 damage to me.

 

All they need to do is give it the same benefit the Crusader SP has. As that is the only arty below 150mm that can stun. If the FV even got a 2 sec min stun and 5 sec max stun. It would kinda be useful again. As now it can't do any missions on the Stug.



TankkiPoju #4 Posted 26 January 2018 - 04:38 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 26 January 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

Considering it can't stun either. It needs something to be useful.

 

No it doesn't.

samuelx43a #5 Posted 26 January 2018 - 04:49 PM

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View PostJethro_Grey, on 26 January 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

No arty should ever receive buffs unless it gets buffed into it's own game mode or it gets perma-buffed out of the game.

 

oh look, am I surprised this appears in every arty topic...

Going back to what the OP suggested, they could give it at least a mini stun, or even buff the pen.

Buffing the pen would make it actually dangerous, and it'd be a small advantage. As 450 dmg is the lowest of any Tier VI+ arty.

My two pennies.



Coldspell #6 Posted 26 January 2018 - 04:50 PM

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It has a near vertical arc so it doesn't need as much pen as other arty.

jack_timber #7 Posted 26 January 2018 - 04:55 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 26 January 2018 - 03:38 PM, said:

 

No it doesn't.

 

Oh yes it does...

Bit like a pantomime now:)

 



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Stop posting "remove arty from the game" kind of stuff  guys, I only have 10 likes per day.

Mimos_A #9 Posted 26 January 2018 - 04:57 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 26 January 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

 

Considering it can't stun either. It needs something to be useful. As if I see one on the enemy team, I know I can push hard as I won't get stunned. Nor will he do more then 50 damage to me.

 

All they need to do is give it the same benefit the Crusader SP has. As that is the only arty below 150mm that can stun. If the FV even got a 2 sec min stun and 5 sec max stun. It would kinda be useful again. As now it can't do any missions on the Stug.

 

Giving it a ministun would be fair. But considering the misery fv304 drivers have been dumping on people over the years, I'd say it's good in the trash for a bit.

Noo_Noo #10 Posted 26 January 2018 - 05:09 PM

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No because you are trying to compare arty by the same metrics that other tank classes use. You cant do that because it plays in a completely different way and by different rules. 

WG do the same unfortunately. 

TheOneAboveAII #11 Posted 27 January 2018 - 12:31 AM

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Sure..buff it...why not..
Let's buff all arty...they have all already been buffed with the changes...now you want even more...cool...you know...get a udes...you can sleep in that one as well.

Vivjiane #12 Posted 27 January 2018 - 07:40 AM

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View Postmattias4, on 26 January 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

I think the FV304 really needs a buff,

compared to other arty's at T6 its just to bad.

 

yeah sure it has the best dpm but the pen just boolshit
​also it has the best aiming time but thats just like a .1 s difference

speed is also good but the track traverse is crap and the other T6 artys don't have bad speed either and i find the difference almost irrelevant

 

​good points

~ highest dpm
​~ best aim time by .1s

~ speed

 

​bad points

~ no stun
~ lowest pen
​~ lowest alpha
​~ 500m shooting range
​~ lowest splash
~ lowest view range

 

I dont think so but I would not say no to a buff.

TheWarrener #13 Posted 27 January 2018 - 08:22 AM

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No it f*cking doesn't. Arty is so broken at low tiers yet you suggest buffing it. Are you somehow related to that guy who keeps posting threads about superheavies being underpowered? 

A m44 can hit you reliably and with quite a meaty rof for around 250 dmg + stun from other side of map, average tier 6 medium hp is 700. Do the f*cking math.

And 3 clickers per team is a standard in low tier games.

While high tier arty is not an issue after rebalance, low tier ones just tend to give people terminal diseases and are worse than they ever were.


Edited by TheWarrener, 27 January 2018 - 08:23 AM.


Mr_Burrows #14 Posted 27 January 2018 - 08:43 AM

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I sorta agree with OP about the FV. I do not play mine any more, way too frustrating to pay it as it is right now. It needs 2 things: get tiered up to tier 7, and increased pen by 35 mm. 

Orkbert #15 Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:07 AM

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View Postmattias4, on 26 January 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

 


​also it has the best aiming time but thats just like a .1 s difference

 

 

Compared with one other tier VI arty. Compared with all other tier VI arties its aim time is better by 0.9~1.4 seconds, which you somehow absolutely forgot to mention.

 

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 and the other T6 artys don't have bad speed either and i find the difference almost irrelevant

 

I find the the difference in speed is not irrelevant. So which one of us is right?

 

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 26 January 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

 

 If the FV even got a 2 sec min stun and 5 sec max stun. It would kinda be useful again. As now it can't do any missions on the Stug.

 

Actually such a short stun would not help, since the game mechanics seem to be set that a stun duration of less than five seconds doesn't even activate; although if that mini.stun would come with a splash radius enlargement (Sturmpanzer and Bison have now a 6m splash for example) that in itself would be quite a bonus.

leggasiini #16 Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:35 AM

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It used to be such an annoying piece of shit a while ago; one of the biggest cancers ever at midtiers. It deserves to be utter trash after that.

spamhamstar #17 Posted 27 January 2018 - 11:26 AM

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In that case the defender also needs a buff as it isn't as fast as an is3 & it's gun isn't as good either.  Having better armour doesn't help you get xp as you don't get any for dmg blocked.

 

Personally I wish they'd just leave everything alone & concentrate on adding new content.  Sure the balance isn't perfect, but it's better than buffing & nerfing everthing every month depending on what WG's latest magic numbers told them.  It's bad enough having to learn the weak spots of every tank in the game (or remembering where the 2 key is) without finding out that some of them aren't any more, but then are again next week.



Obsessive_Compulsive #18 Posted 27 January 2018 - 11:29 AM

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Bring back the old su-26 please... pretty please.:trollface:

Xandania #19 Posted 27 January 2018 - 11:41 AM

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The Bert is still fun to play as it reloads really quickly and is very precise. Sadly due to the lack of stun it is worthless for arty missions. Guess the one-fits-all approach to nerfing arty has had a few victims on the way - still, I am usually more fearful of Berts and Bishops than most other arties I meet as I know that they can hit me in most places.

I would like a little increase in pen and/or damage or a 5 sec stun on it :)



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View Postmattias4, on 26 January 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

I think the FV304 really needs a buff,

compared to other arty's at T6 its just to bad.

 

yeah sure it has the best dpm but the pen just boolshit
​also it has the best aiming time but thats just like a .1 s difference

speed is also good but the track traverse is crap and the other T6 artys don't have bad speed either and i find the difference almost irrelevant

 

​good points

~ highest dpm
​~ best aim time by .1s

~ speed

 

​bad points

~ no stun
~ lowest pen
​~ lowest alpha
​~ 500m shooting range
​~ lowest splash
~ lowest view range

 

quite the opposite in my eyes. every arty should be balanced to be comparable to this arty.

wich means:

reduce fire range to <600m that way they have to be played activly <- to not cripple them by doing so all arties need to be able to drive as fast as the FV304 or the french t6 artie

increase the fire arcs of all arties to be able to shoot from "cover" like the bert


Edited by tankqull, 27 January 2018 - 11:46 AM.





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