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DutchyKnight #1 Posted 27 January 2018 - 09:13 PM

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i think the sta-1 should get a buff

reasons:

first gun has 155mm pen (thats horrible for tier 8 since it can match up to tier 10)

45mm armor (even a tier 2 tank can pen that)

 

some things which needs to be nerved:

-10 gun depression is too much for this tank

traverse speed should get slightly lowered



Eaglax #2 Posted 27 January 2018 - 09:36 PM

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how about you use the "things which need to be nerved" to compansate for the weakpoints?

dimethylcadmium #3 Posted 27 January 2018 - 09:57 PM

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To prevent further armor powercreep, instead of buffing their armor, why not give STA-1/2 really good gun handling?

 

aim time 2s ----> 1.8s

dispersion 0.35 ----> 0.33

soft stats 0.15/0.15/0.10 -----> 0.12/0.12/0.10

 

They are the most poorly armored mediums along with the CDC, and CDC needs buffs as well. 

 

Even the free T25 Pilot is better than STA-1/2 :(



Derethim #4 Posted 27 January 2018 - 09:57 PM

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View PostEaglax, on 27 January 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

how about you use the "things which need to be nerved" to compansate for the weakpoints?

 

It's like, I don't know.. he picked a tank, that is not up to par with his playstyle! ...or something :facepalm:

View PostDutchyKnight, on 27 January 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

 

Seriously dude, do some resesarch on a tank line and how it behaves, before you start playing it.

It will save you some stupid posts about changing a tank, just because it doesen't fit you. The real tanks, that need a buff, are tanks like the Churchill GC and the TVP VTU.



DutchyKnight #5 Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:24 PM

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View PostEaglax, on 27 January 2018 - 08:36 PM, said:

how about you use the "things which need to be nerved" to compansate for the weakpoints?

 

but then still again, then it has loads of weakpoints. and what is the point of playing a worthless tank? its no fun to play, it will take many weeks of grinding 

Eaglax #6 Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:41 PM

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View PostDutchyKnight, on 27 January 2018 - 10:24 PM, said:

 

but then still again, then it has loads of weakpoints. and what is the point of playing a worthless tank? its no fun to play, it will take many weeks of grinding 

 

I don't know why you are playing japanese medium tanks at all, if you think the STA-1 is a "worthless" tank.

 

Did you look at the tier 9? It's the exact same thing:

-the stock gun has 218 pen and you need more than 100.000XP just to get the better gun (though the DPM is much better)

-the turret is pretty much the same as the STA-1, i.e. one giant weakspot + it has an enormous cupola which the STA-1 doesn't have

 

if you don't like the play style of the STA-1, then it would be better to stop right now imho

 



MaxxyNL #7 Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:52 PM

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New day, new topic about someone that wants a tank buffed.

 

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Edited by MaxxyNL, 27 January 2018 - 10:53 PM.


RamRaid90 #8 Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:56 PM

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So you don't understand how to play a certain tank, and that means it needs a buff?

Lets list the good points:

 

  • Good gun handling
  • Great gun depression
  • Fairly Agile
  • Good view range

 

Now the bad points:

  • No armour.
  • Low top speed.

 

I don't know...it's almost like this tank is...whats the word.... BALANCED.

 

The STA, like the whole japanese medium line are support tanks.

 

They make up for their lack of armour and low speed with excellent guns, good view range and agility. Their view range allows them to play effectively at long range (able to spot their own targets) and the gun handling matches this play style perfectly.


Edited by RamRaid90, 27 January 2018 - 11:02 PM.


dimethylcadmium #9 Posted 27 January 2018 - 11:23 PM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 27 January 2018 - 10:56 PM, said:

So you don't understand how to play a certain tank, and that means it needs a buff?

Lets list the good points:

 

  • Good gun handling
  • Great gun depression
  • Fairly Agile
  • Good view range

 

Now the bad points:

  • No armour.
  • Low top speed.

 

I don't know...it's almost like this tank is...whats the word.... BALANCED.

 

The STA, like the whole japanese medium line are support tanks.

 

They make up for their lack of armour and low speed with excellent guns, good view range and agility. Their view range allows them to play effectively at long range (able to spot their own targets) and the gun handling matches this play style perfectly.

 

Both STA-1 and STA-2 are worse than 59-Patton = name one thing they do better than it.

RamRaid90 #10 Posted 28 January 2018 - 12:20 AM

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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 27 January 2018 - 10:23 PM, said:

 

Both STA-1 and STA-2 are worse than 59-Patton = name one thing they do better than it.

 

Better penetration. with both standard AP and HEAT

 

The tanks are practically identical. STA has stronger modules than the 59 patton, and better camo values. It also is more agile despite the slightly worse terrain values (the effective traverse values are higher)


Edited by RamRaid90, 28 January 2018 - 12:22 AM.


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View PostMaxxyNL, on 27 January 2018 - 10:52 PM, said:

New day, new topic about someone that wants a tank buffed.

 

:hiding:

 

So what should people post about then? Spaghetti?

I'd love to see the VTU get buffed, or the Churchills, or most of the light tanks.



Bennie182 #12 Posted 28 January 2018 - 11:09 PM

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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 27 January 2018 - 09:57 PM, said:

To prevent further armor powercreep, instead of buffing their armor, why not give STA-1/2 really good gun handling?

 

aim time 2s ----> 1.8s

dispersion 0.35 ----> 0.33

soft stats 0.15/0.15/0.10 -----> 0.12/0.12/0.10

 

They are the most poorly armored mediums along with the CDC, and CDC needs buffs as well. 

 

Even the free T25 Pilot is better than STA-1/2 :(

I agree on this. the soft stats on the whole line is not great I heard. because of this I just keep the STA-1, in case I need it for another mission marathon or maybe personal missions. exactly the soft stats are annoying, the rest is fine I think to make it balanced.



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sta-1 is fine, move on.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 27 January 2018 - 10:56 PM, said:

So you don't understand how to play a certain tank, and that means it needs a buff?

Lets list the good points:

 

  • Good gun handling
  • Great gun depression
  • Fairly Agile
  • Good view range

 

Now the bad points:

  • No armour.
  • Low top speed.

 

I don't know...it's almost like this tank is...whats the word.... BALANCED.

 

The STA, like the whole japanese medium line are support tanks.

 

They make up for their lack of armour and low speed with excellent guns, good view range and agility. Their view range allows them to play effectively at long range (able to spot their own targets) and the gun handling matches this play style perfectly.

 

You dont tell people about ONE VERY BIG weakspot of that tank. ENGINE is in front, and no good armor cover it. As it is with Lowe, STA can lose engine very easy. FOR MT its tragic. 

"agility" - this tank dont have one. Russian MT have it, this dont. You wonna good turret and high pen on tier 8 MT, go Centurion 1. you wonna fast MT, go T44. STA 1 is jack of all trades, and is good at nothing. I played this tanks, 2 moe. Its was fun, but tank is so-so. Type 61 is worse by far. 

 

32 shells with 105 gun. Type 61 is most painfull grind I have for long time in this game. 



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View PostDutchyKnight, on 27 January 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

first gun has 155mm pen (thats horrible for tier 8 since it can match up to tier 10)

45mm armor (even a tier 2 tank can pen that)

 

Well A: It's a stock grind. It's not meant to fight tier X's right out of the box first and foremost. Should not take many fights to get the 2nd gun. That is basically the STA-2 gun. And B: it's a support med. Not a brawling front line med. 45mm armor is far from the worst tier 8 med. If you take hits in that one, you are usually to far up. Or the rest of your team is dead.

ClassicFrog #16 Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:20 AM

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Compare STA-1 to premium STA-2.

 

STA-2 is faster, with better ground resistance and faster aim time. In comparison STA-1 has some armour on the turret, giving it a chance of bouncing something every now and then, and slightly better shell velocity and 10m view range more. I don't think that's enough to make up for significantly worse mobility and worse gun handling.

 

The way I see it STA-2 is better tank and that's just wrong. STA-1 needs some buffs. Perhaps a moderate improvement of speed, gun handling or DPM or maybe a little bit of each.



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Breaking news! Tier 8 medium is not very strong tank!

xPraetoriaNx #18 Posted 29 January 2018 - 07:41 AM

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Funny, I just told my friends that the STA-1 is one of the most balanced tanks I ever played in WoT, and I actually like the tank so much that I'm considering buying a STA-2 once I research the Type 61 and sell the STA-1.

divsmo #19 Posted 29 January 2018 - 08:13 AM

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Tier 8 mediums as a whole aren't brilliant but i wouldn't say the sta is the one most in need of buffs. The tvp on the other hamd what a pile of horse shite.

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STA-1 is maybe not the best tier 8 medium, but it has its moments. It is a nice ridgeline warrior and for that I think it doesn't need any significant buffs. It is quite well balanced. 

I recommend you to try TVP VTU and after that you won't cry about the STA-1. 







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