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d0uble_penetrati0n #1 Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:03 PM

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Is this tank absolute crap or I'm terribly sucking at it!?
I constantly get penned in the turret, just finished a one minute game on Ensk, took a fast hull down position behind the pipes at F8, than boom boom boom, I'm dead, two shots by E3 one by E4, straight in the turret.. Every TD is shooting gold at me and even when it doesn't I constantly get hit for 400-500 HP with HE by the likes of E100, Type 4/5, E3/4 etc.
Wtf is up with this tank, it sucks in ever way..

Dava_117 #2 Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:52 PM

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View Postd0uble_penetrati0n, on 29 January 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

Is this tank absolute crap or I'm terribly sucking at it!?
I constantly get penned in the turret, just finished a one minute game on Ensk, took a fast hull down position behind the pipes at F8, than boom boom boom, I'm dead, two shots by E3 one by E4, straight in the turret.. Every TD is shooting gold at me and even when it doesn't I constantly get hit for 400-500 HP with HE by the likes of E100, Type 4/5, E3/4 etc.
Wtf is up with this tank, it sucks in ever way..

 

A replay would be good to take a look at you positioning.

That tank require to use the full gun depression to be able to avoid damage from some high caliber TDs. But don't keep the turret exposed when it's not needed, because it's 225mm thick, so high caliber HE can easily deal a good ammount of damage.



Dr_ownape #3 Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:55 PM

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doesn't suit heavy meta

TheOneAboveAII #4 Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:59 PM

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View Postd0uble_penetrati0n, on 29 January 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

I constantly get penned in the turret

You CAN NOT  pen that turret in the front even with tier 10 td premium rounds...unless you are on flat ground and jageroos are spamming heat at you...but if you use even a little bit of gun depression...you are gucci.



soul3ater #5 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:00 PM

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I have tried it in the test server, it's meh tbh.

 

avg gun

avg mobility

good turret. that's about it.



TheOneAboveAII #6 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:03 PM

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View Postsoul3ater, on 29 January 2018 - 05:00 PM, said:

I have tried it in the test server, it's meh tbh.

 

avg gun

avg mobility

good turret. that's about it.

Because that's all it is about it...stupidly good turret when hulldown...and autoloader...



logaritmusnaturalis #7 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:10 PM

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The tank is in my opinion almost complete garbage, definitely heading into being with the never ending power creep. 

 

Mobility: mediocre, AMX 50b destroys it. 

 

Armor: Overrated, unusable in most maps since corridor and city map meta. And the turret sides, unlike tanks like IS7 and other russians, can get cheesed through at almost any angle. It's rarely you ONLY have enemies facing you in your direct front, so your turret sides will often get cheesed. rest of armor trash. 

 

Gun: By far the longest clip reload among tier 10 HT autoloaders. By far the worst intra-clip reload, 3 seconds at tier 10, GTFO that's pathetic! Mediocre gunhandling, it's worse than amx50b but better than t57, the gunhandling is just mediocre. 252 standard pen on a tier 10 heavy tank which can face superheavies is subpar, but 300 HEAT pen makes it almost useless against mauses and types. 

 

The experience of playing it is for me at least thoroughly unenjoyable, even though i think i have around 60% win, this tank is just NOT FUN at all, it doesn't click. 

 

 



soul3ater #8 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:10 PM

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View PostTheOneAboveAII, on 29 January 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

Because that's all it is about it...stupidly good turret when hulldown...and autoloader...

 

it's still lacking behind other heavy autoloaders. less dpm with 3 sec intra clip rld and slower shell velocity compared to t57 and 50b.

 

there are many tanks with insane turrets when hulldown, SC for example.

 

it's meh tank, definitely wouldnt waste any grind anytime soon.



logaritmusnaturalis #9 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:11 PM

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View PostTheOneAboveAII, on 29 January 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

Because that's all it is about it...stupidly good turret when hulldown...and autoloader...

 

Dude do you even own it?

Sfinski #10 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:24 PM

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View Postlogaritmusnaturalis, on 29 January 2018 - 06:11 PM, said:

 

Dude do you even own it?

 

Like you can't know and understand how tanks work without owning them...

tank276 #11 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:25 PM

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View Postlogaritmusnaturalis, on 29 January 2018 - 04:10 PM, said:

The tank is in my opinion almost complete garbage, definitely heading into being with the never ending power creep. 

 

Mobility: mediocre, AMX 50b destroys it. 

 

Armor: Overrated, unusable in most maps since corridor and city map meta. And the turret sides, unlike tanks like IS7 and other russians, can get cheesed through at almost any angle. It's rarely you ONLY have enemies facing you in your direct front, so your turret sides will often get cheesed. rest of armor trash. 

 

Gun: By far the longest clip reload among tier 10 HT autoloaders. By far the worst intra-clip reload, 3 seconds at tier 10, GTFO that's pathetic! Mediocre gunhandling, it's worse than amx50b but better than t57, the gunhandling is just mediocre. 252 standard pen on a tier 10 heavy tank which can face superheavies is subpar, but 300 HEAT pen makes it almost useless against mauses and types. 

 

The experience of playing it is for me at least thoroughly unenjoyable, even though i think i have around 60% win, this tank is just NOT FUN at all, it doesn't click. 

 

 

 

Still at the Emil 1, grinding for Emil 2.

But I feel you, the line is mediocre for my tastes, fortunately Swedish TDs are pretty awsome if you play in a platoon.



logaritmusnaturalis #12 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:29 PM

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View Posttank276, on 29 January 2018 - 04:25 PM, said:

 

Still at the Emil 1, grinding for Emil 2.

But I feel you, the line is mediocre for my tastes, fortunately Swedish TDs are pretty awsome if you play in a platoon.

 

Emil 1 is the highlight of the line, just unfortunate tier 8 is so bad because it's a really good and fun tank.

Derethim #13 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:50 PM

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View PostDr_ownape, on 29 January 2018 - 04:55 PM, said:

doesn't suit heavy meta

 

Your sig pic makes your reply look amazing, just sayin'

 

I'd like to say it needs the 150mm boomstick it originally was supposed to have.. but please oh god no.



Simeon85 #14 Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:55 PM

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Yeh it's pretty poor, gun is too mediocre and the armour is all or nothing.

 

Victim of public test over reaction, was too good on first test, they then nerfed it into the ground on second test and called it a day. It then very quickly got powercrept. 



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View PostSimeon85, on 29 January 2018 - 05:55 PM, said:

Yeh it's pretty poor, gun is too mediocre and the armour is all or nothing.

 

Victim of public test over reaction, was too good on first test, they then nerfed it into the ground on second test and called it a day. It then very quickly got powercrept. 

 

This, the powercreep got to it.

It's not actually weak, but it can't stand up to Mauses and Types.



Ricky_Rolls #16 Posted 29 January 2018 - 06:01 PM

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Well, it would have been good if they would have kept the gun stats from the 1st test server and just nerf the turret to an effective 300 "only" when he's sitting on flat ground but nope, gotta nerf the the gun to the next dimention in order to make the turret impenetrable, what a clever idea.

Exozen #17 Posted 29 January 2018 - 06:07 PM

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Seemse fine to me.

 

But yeah , unless you run with a good crew + food the tank is rather meh, even with that it still meh , its a situational tank, not all tanks are ment to be meta.


Edited by Exozen, 29 January 2018 - 06:09 PM.


Dr_ownape #18 Posted 29 January 2018 - 06:18 PM

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View PostExozen, on 29 January 2018 - 05:07 PM, said:

 

 

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Seemse fine to me.

 

But yeah , unless you run with a good crew + food the tank is rather meh, even with that it still meh , its a situational tank, not all tanks are ment to be meta.

 

inb4 172 games not big enough data set trolls :trollface:

Vossil #19 Posted 29 January 2018 - 06:25 PM

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That tank is utter garbage in my opinion. That laughable dpm combined with its awful mobility makes this tank into a turd.

8126Jakobsson #20 Posted 29 January 2018 - 06:43 PM

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Have not played mine since I got the HT missions done but I quite liked it. Mobility is alright, gun is..functioning and it's very comfortable behind a ridge. If there is none then trade a hit for a clip and go back behind the house. Or something. And where is the Finnish "Kranvagn is ridiculously OP" squad to spice up the thread? They used to be so on the ball. 






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