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dex_1950 #1 Posted 30 January 2018 - 02:17 PM

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So after nerfs this tanks is even worse. Some key points:

  • no staright line speed anymore
  • no accuracy at distance
  • no camo
  • no armor
  • shell speed is reduced

This is just Skorpion G at T10, with little bit better shell speed. Buff speed and DPM again, this is one of the worst PEN guns at T10 (TD), and in exchange gets crappy speed and camo. You can snipe, but you wont hit. Shell speed is reduced, bloom is hideous (no need for bloom buff tho), and camo isn't usable.

 

You are forced to chai, and you can't do that effectivly because of reduced DPM, engine power, depression and shell speed. You'll hit the dust, and you can't reverse or reload like before. You cant get into enemy like 103B because camo sucks. Most of time you cant peak because of reduced DPM, engine power and depression.

 

So reverse grille 15 nerfs. We need that first shot advantage and speed to run when we are spotted (99% of time).



WuetendesWiesel #2 Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:31 PM

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They could also instead just increase gun depression to 10-12 degrees, so that you can actually work ridgelines. Or give a fully traversable turret (so that it would be a Skorpion at tier 10).
It definitely needs something, because it's not really tier 10 material right now.

_EXODUZ_ #3 Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:35 PM

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They admit it's in a bad shape and they want to do something about it. Although, that was said like 8 months ago.

Sfinski #4 Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:36 PM

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Its bloody awesome tank. No need for bufs.

HaZardeur #5 Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:37 PM

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But that would nerf 907 jockeys in the early game farming heavy tanks that try to get in position. :bajan:

fabse #6 Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:40 PM

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Did you know, the poor grille was introduced so late, it never had a 850 dmg alpha gun.

 

I propose that, on top of all other buffs proposed here, the grille should get 850 alpha.

It should keep that gun for the same time the orginial t10 tds hat 850 dmg guns... just to make things fair. :trollface:



VsUK #7 Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:45 PM

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They should just bring back the WT Auf E-100. The only German Auto loader that was fun to play & was a real defensive asset if used correctly. But noo, we had all the wallet warrior's complain it was too over powered & they couldn't get close enough to spot it without being spotted & shot at first.

It's funny, we don't hear the same wallet warriors complain about the type 4/5s they all love using now. Hypocritical at least to claim something is too OP then enjoy & support another themselves. 

Grill v Auf E100, I know which I would rather have. I worked my arse off to get the Auf E100, then have it replaced by a joke of a TD. Highly visible, limited gun rotation. You cant bounce anything or position yourself behind a dump to snipe, because the gun housing is higher than the gun & easily shot at. 

jabster #8 Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:51 PM

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View PostVsUK, on 30 January 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

They should just bring back the WT Auf E-100. The only German Auto loader that was fun to play & was a real defensive asset if used correctly. But noo, we had all the wallet warrior's complain it was too over powered & they couldn't get close enough to spot it without being spotted & shot at first.

It's funny, we don't hear the same wallet warriors complain about the type 4/5s they all love using now. Hypocritical at least to claim something is too OP then enjoy & support another themselves. 

Grill v Auf E100, I know which I would rather have. I worked my arse off to get the Auf E100, then have it replaced by a joke of a TD. Highly visible, limited gun rotation. You cant bounce anything or position yourself behind a dump to snipe, because the gun housing is higher than the gun & easily shot at. 

 

I’m going to have to give that a D- as that’s far too obvious. You really need to come up with a more original angle.

Darklynx #9 Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:52 PM

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I really loved to play my Waffenträger it was fun. Even if it had a long reload, at least you could participate in the game. It was a huge target for HE shells so you easily got f... if played wrong, but at least it was a German AL.

 

Grille really is ... stupid. I play it a lot and i compared it to the Object TD 10....

Isn`t it weird that the object has such a freaking good camo rating?

 

But its Russian i guess and the bad germans need all the nerfs :(



AliceUnchained #10 Posted 30 January 2018 - 05:46 PM

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The Grille 15 is an utter BS vehicle which never should have been introduced in the first place. No, I do not consider it OP or anything just utter BS. A different kind of broken compared to the WT.

Dava_117 #11 Posted 30 January 2018 - 05:55 PM

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Oh, from the title I would have say you want to nerf the reverse speed.

IMO grill si good as it is. No need for another stealthy TD rushing to sniper position. Swedish are enought.



DeltaOperator #12 Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:03 PM

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Make Grille 15 great again!

Richthoffen #13 Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:09 PM

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give it 360° rotation for the turret so it doesn't have to move every time.. oh and give some compensation for my WT auf E100, every other tank that gets removed people can keep (looking at you deathstar and foch) all we got was a crappy replacement for a broken tank.

not asking for the WT back in my garage but some compensation would be nice after seeing al the other "removed" tanks stayed in garage and in game



ignaskarate #14 Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:00 PM

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View PostSfinski, on 30 January 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

Its bloody awesome tank. No need for bufs.

 

i like when people talking about something with very clever expression on the face, when they even dont have that tank! Get it and then talk.

dex_1950 #15 Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:32 PM

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View PostWuetendesWiesel, on 30 January 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

They could also instead just increase gun depression to 10-12 degrees, so that you can actually work ridgelines. Or give a fully traversable turret (so that it would be a Skorpion at tier 10).
It definitely needs something, because it's not really tier 10 material right now.

 

Problem with that is poor engine power (so you cant fast move) and no camo, plus very high bloom. Grille15 was rushing to front, do 750 shot, run back and chai snipe.

 

But they reduced DPM, depression and engine power (AFAIK) now it's just crap. No need for stupid ru hoovermeds gun hadnling or STRV camo. Just boomstick that can go very fast (in straight line tho).



VMX #16 Posted 01 February 2018 - 04:04 PM

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Hello all,

 

I removed some off-topic posts, can we get back to the conversation on 'Grilles reverse nerf' now, please.

 

Thanks,

VMX

 

 



Darklynx #17 Posted 01 February 2018 - 05:01 PM

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It just need some god damn better camo.... and some more pen D=

dex_1950 #18 Posted 02 February 2018 - 02:58 PM

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View PostDarklynx, on 01 February 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

It just need some god damn better camo.... and some more pen D=

 

Nope, it will encourage chai. Needs better mobility and DPM, and you can yolo and deal DMG. We got STRV's already with broken camo.

Simeon85 #19 Posted 02 February 2018 - 03:07 PM

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View Postdex_1950, on 02 February 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

 

Nope, it will encourage chai. Needs better mobility and DPM, and you can yolo and deal DMG. We got STRV's already with broken camo.

 

The mobility nerf was needed, Grille 15s were rushing to spots to put 750 damage in as lights etc. rushed up to key spots, lights have it hard enough they don't need a TD that is able to match them to front line spots and take half their HP.

 

Overall it's fine, it just needs some tweaking because of the meta. I'd reckon buff the DPM back and reverse speed back to 20kph. 



CamperKaempfer #20 Posted 02 February 2018 - 04:37 PM

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View Postdex_1950, on 30 January 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

So after nerfs this tanks is even worse. Some key points:

  • no staright line speed anymore
  • no accuracy at distance
  • no camo
  • no armor
  • shell speed is reduced

This is just Skorpion G at T10, with little bit better shell speed. Buff speed and DPM again, this is one of the worst PEN guns at T10 (TD), and in exchange gets crappy speed and camo. You can snipe, but you wont hit. Shell speed is reduced, bloom is hideous (no need for bloom buff tho), and camo isn't usable.

 

You are forced to chai, and you can't do that effectivly because of reduced DPM, engine power, depression and shell speed. You'll hit the dust, and you can't reverse or reload like before. You cant get into enemy like 103B because camo sucks. Most of time you cant peak because of reduced DPM, engine power and depression.

 

So reverse grille 15 nerfs. We need that first shot advantage and speed to run when we are spotted (99% of time).

 

i don't understand. what do you mean by reverse nerf? do you mean a nerf to its reverse speed or buffs? and why are they nerfing it if they want to make it better?





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