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Ninjasaky #41 Posted 12 January 2019 - 09:53 PM

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View PostElefantas, on 12 January 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

Topic make Yugoslavian or Serbian tech tree

Yugoslavia doesn't exist on world atlas

Serbia never "manufactured" tanks

manufactured only 3 armored vehicles and 1 spg

Back to European history class. Chop chop.

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View PostM5A1, on 12 January 2019 - 06:23 PM, said:

Yugoslavia did exist back then, but this still didn't design their own tanks which makes them not suitable for an own tech tree.

 

M-84
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Serbian Army M-84A4 tank
Type Main battle tank
Place of origin Yugoslavia
Service history
In service 1985–present
Wars Persian Gulf War
Yugoslav Wars
Production history
Designer Military Technical Institute Belgrade
Designed 1979‒1983
Produced 1984‒1991 (Yugoslavia)
1991‒2003 (Croatia)
No. built ~650


M5A1 #42 Posted 13 January 2019 - 01:13 AM

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We are still talking about the time from about 1920-1968. For the 10th time now.

 

EDIT: To make it clear for you. If we assume that the M-84 is designed by Yugoslavia, then it is still not suitable as a WoT vehicle. Period.


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Ninjasaky #43 Posted 13 January 2019 - 01:45 AM

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View PostM5A1, on 13 January 2019 - 01:13 AM, said:

We are still talking about the time from about 1920-1968. For the 10th time now.

 

EDIT: To make it clear for you. If we assume that the M-84 is designed by Yugoslavia, then it is still not suitable as a WoT vehicle. Period.

 

I don't think so and I wouldn't say so.

And who is "we" ? There is no "we".

Ofc Yugoslavia designed it. I linked all the Wikipedia info in my previous posts. Maybe you have eyesight problems? I don't know, should I care about your eyesight? No. Did I reply to you only? No.

Is this thread about you and your replies? No.

Is World of Tanks a slowly evolving game by introducing newer and younger tanks as time goes by? Yes.

Does the Yugoslavian tech tree have a heavy tank tech tree line? Not yet.

Was Yugoslavia a major armored vehicle and tank producer? Yes.

Did it design its own tank? Yes.

Did it fight in 2 wars, World War 2 and the civil war with their tanks? Yes.

Do you assume? Yes. Do I assume? No. And I don't "if" about anything.

I never assume. If I assume then I don't know it. If I don't know the matter then I don't talk about it.


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M5A1 #44 Posted 13 January 2019 - 10:17 AM

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View PostNinjasaky, on 13 January 2019 - 01:45 AM, said:

 

Is World of Tanks a slowly evolving game by introducing newer and younger tanks as time goes by? 

No. There has always been a border for new tanks as far as the technology is concerned. And this border is reactive armor and digital aiming computers. 

 

Regarding the other issues: Yes, Yugoslavia fought in the middle of the 20th century and okay, it might have designed it's own tank after that. But all that I am trying to say is that it does not matter. With this logic, WG would have to introduce the dutch and the spanish techtree first. 

 

But I see that your patriotism makes you blind for facts and you don't want to see these simple things. So have fun in this thread, I won't disturb you from now on.



Jigabachi #45 Posted 13 January 2019 - 10:25 AM

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Would still be nice if someone could take the few unique tanks and put them into a separate post, with a picture and some information. We had so many pointless spam over the last pages, it's time for a bit of progress again...

Bludsuager #46 Posted 13 January 2019 - 10:34 AM

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Yes mods must clean up this spam honestly

Ninjasaky #47 Posted 13 January 2019 - 11:21 AM

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View PostM5A1, on 13 January 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:

No. There has always been a border for new tanks as far as the technology is concerned. And this border is reactive armor and digital aiming computers. 

 

Regarding the other issues: Yes, Yugoslavia fought in the middle of the 20th century and okay, it might have designed it's own tank after that. But all that I am trying to say is that it does not matter. With this logic, WG would have to introduce the dutch and the spanish techtree first. 

 

But I see that your patriotism makes you blind for facts and you don't want to see these simple things. So have fun in this thread, I won't disturb you from now on.

 

M-84 has no reactive armor. Reactive armor is something that you can add from the outside to the tank but only never and modernized versions of the M-84 have it.

It also has no digital aiming systems, but has similar aiming systems like some modern tanks that have been added to World of Tanks.

The is no "issue", it's a fact.

There is also none of "it might".

If it doesn't matter then stop spreading disinformation in the first place.

Yes, World of Tanks is slowly adding more modern tanks over time, since WW2 era tanks get boring.

Logic? Wargaming logic is the market.

I have nothing against Dutch and Spanish tanks, please add them also to the game if possible.

Reported for naming and shaming of wrongful accusation of patriotism.

I am not in a war and thus not physically defending my country, thus patriotism is not needed here as there is no need for a healthy morale maintenance on a gaming forum.

Last sentence in your quote concerns you and not me, as you can see.

Yes, do us that favor and go your way.

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View PostJigabachi, on 13 January 2019 - 10:25 AM, said:

Would still be nice if someone could take the few unique tanks and put them into a separate post, with a picture and some information. We had so many pointless spam over the last pages, it's time for a bit of progress again...

 

Everything has been posted in this threat. Just scroll through on the previous pages.
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View PostBludsuager, on 13 January 2019 - 10:34 AM, said:

Yes mods must clean up this spam honestly

 

Especially the ones without any links or pictures of source information to back it up, regarding the topic of this thread.

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I asked you in other thread if you can post single Yugoslav tank that was originaly designed, developed and produced in Yugoslavia.

Game developers made border for adding new tanks. That border is smoothbore guns. Thats why M-84 is out of border. Its to modern.



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View Post890, on 13 January 2019 - 12:08 PM, said:

I asked you in other thread if you can post single Yugoslav tank that was originaly designed, developed and produced in Yugoslavia.

Game developers made border for adding new tanks. That border is smoothbore guns. Thats why M-84 is out of border. Its to modern.

 

And I replied with the information. Look at previous posts.

 

Where does World of Tanks developers state that the borderline are smoothbore guns, as it has no impact on game performance since the game doesn't process if it's rifled or smooth bored main guns.

 

Link the main source of Wargaming developer statements.



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If you watched Developers diaries you would know.

Anyway, have you find some original Yugoslav tank?


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View PostNinjasaky, on 13 January 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

Everything has been posted in this threat. Just scroll through on the previous pages.

Would you mind linking that post here? All I see is a lot of clutter and copy-pasted stuff. I didn't find a list of suitable tanks that could make it into a tree.



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View Post890, on 13 January 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

Anyway, have you find some original Yugoslav tank?

 

Check previous posts.
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View PostJigabachi, on 13 January 2019 - 02:42 PM, said:

Would you mind linking that post here? All I see is a lot of clutter and copy-pasted stuff. I didn't find a list of suitable tanks that could make it into a tree.

 

Use your own 10 fingers to scroll through. Everything has been posted.
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View Post890, on 13 January 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

If you watched Developers diaries you would know.

 

Link or it's a invalid statement, treated as spam if not backed up by proof.

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View PostNinjasaky, on 13 January 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

 

Check previous posts.

 

 

Checked. Havent find single Yugoslav designed, developed and produced tank.

 

Also check this post : Rusian forum moderator answer

 

He writes: "The main problem, due to which we do not have in the game T-62, T-64, T-72, is a smooth-bore gun. Because the speed of the projectile and armor penetration are to high. All tanks implemented in the game have a rifled gun".


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View PostNinjasaky, on 13 January 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

Check previous posts.

I can't find original Yugoslav tanks in this thread either. What this thread looks like is a request to add a copy/paste tank line for the purpose of getting one tank you'd really like? And every bit of that tank that makes it different from the Soviet tank it is based on would have to be removed to make it fit in to the game?



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*edited*

 


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View Post890, on 13 January 2019 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

Checked. Havent find single Yugoslav designed, developed and produced tank.

 

Also check this post : Rusian forum moderator answer

 

He writes: "The main problem, due to which we do not have in the game T-62, T-64, T-72, is a smooth-bore gun. Because the speed of the projectile and armor penetration are to high. All tanks implemented in the game have a rifled gun".

View PostEvilier_than_Skeletor, on 13 January 2019 - 02:55 PM, said:

I can't find original Yugoslav tanks in this thread either. What this thread looks like is a request to add a copy/paste tank line for the purpose of getting one tank you'd really like? And every bit of that tank that makes it different from the Soviet tank it is based on would have to be removed to make it fit in to the game?

 

Could be. (about smooth bore)

 

M-84
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Serbian Army M-84A4 tank
Type Main battle tank
Place of origin Yugoslavia
Service history
In service 1985–present
Wars Persian Gulf War
Yugoslav Wars
Production history
Designer Military Technical Institute Belgrade
Designed 1979‒1983
Produced 1984‒1991 (Yugoslavia)
1991‒2003 (Croatia)
No. built ~650

 

 


Edited by Ninjasaky, 13 January 2019 - 05:02 PM.


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Greetings,

 

Thread cleared.

 

Avoid posting if it's to be anything but useful and constructive, thank you.

 

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View PostNinjasaky, on 13 January 2019 - 06:01 PM, said:

M-84
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Serbian Army M-84A4 tank
Type Main battle tank
Place of origin Yugoslavia
 
   
   
 
   
   
   
   

 

 

 

M-84 is made based on buyed licence of Soviet T-72.

It is NOT designed or developed in Yugoslavia. Modified and produced, yes. It uses Soviet cannon and machinguns, modified Soviet diesel engine V46 and many more systems. Weapon control system is made in Yugoslavia but that doesnt make this copy as new tank.



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View PostNinjasaky, on 13 January 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

Use your own 10 fingers to scroll through. Everything has been posted.

I highly doubt that. The thread was full of copies from the very start on, then the spam started.

Again, please point me to the post that lists the tanks that might be worth adding to the game.



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There were some rumors in the past that Yugo tanks will be implemented in the game.But rather in combined eastern europian tech tree,than independent tech tree, which is understandable since the tech tree will be made of USA,Czech and USSR clones.
 





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