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BooperDooper149 #1 Posted 30 January 2018 - 10:45 PM

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Well, i am a new player and i picked leopard 1 line...i've reached tier 7 already but now i see everyone is saying that leopard is the worst medium on tier 10. What should i do?

If i should change the tank line, which one would you recommend?

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TsundereWaffle #2 Posted 30 January 2018 - 10:46 PM

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According to WG it would be OP if buffed so it has to be amazing right? :v



Darklynx #3 Posted 30 January 2018 - 10:50 PM

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Leo is supposed to be a second line sniper.... if it hits smth i guess

Junglist_ #4 Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:23 PM

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I wouldn't recommend it and definitely not to a beginner. As cool looking the tank is, sadly it is very underpowered.

Best tier 10 mediums at the moment are in my opinion: Object 140 and M48A5 Patton. The upcoming Object 430U also looks like a very good tank.



xx984 #5 Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:23 PM

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Its not a bad tank by any means. But you need to be a good player to be able to use it to its strengths and make it work. For a medium line id recommend the Obj 140, tier 10 russian med. Or maybe even the British/American meds. Any of them will be a much better choice for a new player 

HundeWurst #6 Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:36 PM

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Its a piece of crap. About every single other tier 10 tank is better than it. So there is that.

 

But it would be OP if WG would buff it. Their very own words. That speaks for itself, about the endless incompetence.



FluffyRedFox #7 Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:44 PM

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Its an amazing sniper for those out-of-render 500m and 600m shots! Its very useful in all maps, not at all like those situational type 5s! /s

Yeah, Leo is not worth it especially if its gonna be your first tier X.



ypr765prco #8 Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:45 PM

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They have to upgrade the leo 1 to the leo 1v(the dutch upgrade)

Here a pic of a leo 1v



VsUK #9 Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:36 AM

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depends entirely on the player. Of course there's the exceptions of the Type 4/5's.

Laur_Balaur_XD #10 Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:48 AM

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View PostVsUK, on 30 January 2018 - 11:36 PM, said:

depends entirely on the player. Of course there's the exceptions of the Type 4/5's.

 

A good aimbot like that used by you also helps a lot....

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Warzey #11 Posted 31 January 2018 - 01:23 AM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 30 January 2018 - 10:36 PM, said:

Its a piece of crap. About every single other tier 10 tank is better than it. So there is that.

 

But it would be OP if WG would buff it. Their very own words. That speaks for itself, about the endless incompetence.

 

Be that as it may, do we really want another tank that's basically same as STB-1 and AMX 30B?

HundeWurst #12 Posted 31 January 2018 - 01:57 AM

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View PostWarzey, on 31 January 2018 - 01:23 AM, said:

 

Be that as it may, do we really want another tank that's basically same as STB-1 and AMX 30B?

 

No we dont, however there have been a couple of ideas around make the Leo1 unique, without buffing the armor of any kind, while also buffing it to be at least semi competetive.

It wills till not even get close to them precious ruskie mediums but it would actually be good and what it is supposed to do:

Accuracy down from 0.3 by 0.2 to 0.1 meters dispersion on 100 meters

Aiming time down from 1.9 by 1 to 0.9 seconds. (keep softstats as they are)

Standard shell penetration up to 288 mm (makes kinda sense with all the overbuffed armor around these days), no penetration drop under ranges of 600 meters, shellspeed up to 1750m/s. HEAT shell speed up to 1400 m/s.

There you go. At least Leo1 could now pretend to be better than an IS7 on range.

 

This would still make the Leo1 suck in close combat, aka at the very least 75% of all engagements, but at least in the 25% it would be a good thingy to drive.



Strizi #13 Posted 31 January 2018 - 01:58 AM

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View PostWarzey, on 31 January 2018 - 01:23 AM, said:

 

Be that as it may, do we really want another tank that's basically same as STB-1 and AMX 30B?

 

Just give the German Meds 1000 Pen then, something different :trollface::bajan:

kaneloon #14 Posted 31 January 2018 - 02:45 AM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 30 January 2018 - 10:36 PM, said:

Its a piece of crap. About every single other tier 10 tank is better than it. So there is that.

 

But it would be OP if WG would buff it. Their very own words. That speaks for itself, about the endless incompetence.

 

Seems like the STB-1 already has the crown, Leo would be only second then.

 

@BooperDooper149 : I would recommand the E50M, which as a medium player I found easier than the Obj 140. And a german med too, as the leo.



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View PostWunderWurst, on 31 January 2018 - 12:57 AM, said:

 

No we dont, however there have been a couple of ideas around make the Leo1 unique, without buffing the armor of any kind, while also buffing it to be at least semi competetive.

It wills till not even get close to them precious ruskie mediums but it would actually be good and what it is supposed to do:

Accuracy down from 0.3 by 0.2 to 0.1 meters dispersion on 100 meters

Aiming time down from 1.9 by 1 to 0.9 seconds. (keep softstats as they are)

Standard shell penetration up to 288 mm (makes kinda sense with all the overbuffed armor around these days), no penetration drop under ranges of 600 meters, shellspeed up to 1750m/s. HEAT shell speed up to 1400 m/s.

There you go. At least Leo1 could now pretend to be better than an IS7 on range.

 

This would still make the Leo1 suck in close combat, aka at the very least 75% of all engagements, but at least in the 25% it would be a good thingy to drive.

 

Those changes would make Leopard viable as a "sniping" medium and it would still suck at close range. I personally like the idea, but I guess WG has a problem with Leopard stepping into TD territory while still having good mobility, turret and decent gun handling. 



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They can not do anything with the Leo as the game mechanics favor armor due to the massive -+25% RNG and dispersion on top.
Lightly armored snipers suck unless they have huge alpha and there just isn't a way to buff them without changing them fro lightly armored snipers.

Why the EU is forced to have market cultural preference of RU taste and not distinct server variations means it will never work or make sense in the EU.  

ZlatanArKung #17 Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:49 PM

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View PostWarzey, on 31 January 2018 - 05:05 AM, said:

 

Those changes would make Leopard viable as a "sniping" medium and it would still suck at close range. I personally like the idea, but I guess WG has a problem with Leopard stepping into TD territory while still having good mobility, turret and decent gun handling. 

The new TDs of WG seems to be focused around impenetrable frontal armour and meh accuracy. 

So good accuracy and aimtime with bad armour doesn't seem to be close.



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No, it's not good. But it would be OP if buffed.

Aikl #19 Posted 31 January 2018 - 01:08 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 31 January 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

The new TDs of WG seems to be focused around impenetrable frontal armour and meh accuracy. 

So good accuracy and aimtime with bad armour doesn't seem to be close.

 

Wouldn't want the game to be too focused on, you know, skill and stuff, would we?

ZlatanArKung #20 Posted 31 January 2018 - 01:16 PM

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View PostAikl, on 31 January 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

 

Wouldn't want the game to be too focused on, you know, skill and stuff, would we?

No, but of course not.






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