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soul3ater #1 Posted 31 January 2018 - 04:43 PM

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So today I looked at my list of tanks that I rarely play since I wanted to sell some tanks in order to fund my next tank. don't get me wrong I don't advice anyone to sell their tier 10 tanks but I did the unthinkable today by selling stb-1. I haven't touched this tank in almost 2 years now. 

 

people say leo 1 is the worst tier 10 med but I strongly disagree, stb-1 is the worst tier 10 med.


Edited by soul3ater, 31 January 2018 - 04:55 PM.


Zotx_BG #2 Posted 31 January 2018 - 04:48 PM

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How come Leo is tier 10 med? I am currently playing it and I am 100% sure it is tier 7 med.

P.S. I do not believe you think Leo is the worst med tank especially when you have already completed grinding the Chi-Ri. Grinding Chi-Ri is a real nightmare.


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soul3ater #3 Posted 31 January 2018 - 04:55 PM

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View PostZotx_BG, on 31 January 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

How come Leo is tier 10 med? I am currently playing it and I am 100% sure it is tier 7 med.

P.S. I do not believe you think Leo is the worst med tank especially when you have already completed grinding the Chi-Ri. Grinding Chi-Ri is a real nightmare.

 

leo 1, I added the 1 now in case people get confused...lol

Dava_117 #4 Posted 31 January 2018 - 05:05 PM

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View PostZotx_BG, on 31 January 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

How come Leo is tier 10 med? I am currently playing it and I am 100% sure it is tier 7 med.

P.S. I do not believe you think Leo is the worst med tank especially when you have already completed grinding the Chi-Ri. Grinding Chi-Ri is a real nightmare.

 

Nah, Chi-Ri is fantastic. PewPewPew, hide, PewPewPew, hide, repeat. This gunslinger style to beat other paper tanks is unic! Really a joy to play! And I'm crap in other autoloader and paper tanks! ;)


Edited by Dava_117, 31 January 2018 - 05:06 PM.


Aikl #5 Posted 31 January 2018 - 05:33 PM

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In before they nerf the gun depression and give it the historical hydraulic suspension - via siege mode. :D

 

(A proper 'real-time'-implementation of the hydraulic suspension would be really nice though - and also for Swedish TDs. Of course, not with the DPM they have... and it's rather unlikely given how nerfing the S1 would create rivers of blood and salt.)



ValkyrionX #6 Posted 31 January 2018 - 05:51 PM

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stb-1 need a strong turret armor

 

leopard 1 its a crap tank..is like to play an amx cdc at tier X but with a german gun...need a serius rework

 

amx 30 and amx30B need a huuuge penetration buff to standard ammo and gold ammo too

 

e50 and e50m need a bit strong turret armor

 

 

.....and as always the russian meds lead the game for its good general characteristics (dpm, armor, mobility, accuracy)

 

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TheOneAboveAII #7 Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:27 PM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 31 January 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

stb-1 need a strong turret armor

NO, Please NO...enough with the god damn armour on turrets...all stb-1 needs is aim time down from 2.3 to 2 and the soft stats from 0.16 0.16 0.14 to 0.10 0.10 0.10(or even lower)...because the only problem with this tank is that awful gun handling...i have bia, vents, vstabs and food on mine and that gun handling still makes me wanna kill myself...it's the only tier 10 med that has a worse gun in terms on handling than the tier 9 and even then the god damn tier 8 from the same line.


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soul3ater #8 Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:44 PM

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View PostAikl, on 31 January 2018 - 04:33 PM, said:

In before they nerf the gun depression and give it the historical hydraulic suspension - via siege mode. :D

 

(A proper 'real-time'-implementation of the hydraulic suspension would be really nice though - and also for Swedish TDs. Of course, not with the DPM they have... and it's rather unlikely given how nerfing the S1 would create rivers of blood and salt.)

 

just fix the gun. no need for anything fancy. better aim time and dispersion. that's it.

View PostTheOneAboveAII, on 31 January 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

NO, Please NO...enough with the god damn armour on turrets...all stb-1 needs is aim time down from 2.3 to 2 and the soft stats from 0.15 0.15 0.13 to 0.10 0.10 0.10(or even lower)...because the only problem with this tank is that awful gun handling...i have bia, vents, vstabs and food on mine and that gun handling still makes me wanna kill myself...it's the only tier 10 med that has a worse gun in terms on handling than the tier 9 and even then the god damn tier 8 from the same line.

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Accuracy and aim time buff for STB but slight buff to keep difference between STB and leo

brumbarr #10 Posted 31 January 2018 - 10:22 PM

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View PostTheOneAboveAII, on 31 January 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

NO, Please NO...enough with the god damn armour on turrets...all stb-1 needs is aim time down from 2.3 to 2 and the soft stats from 0.15 0.15 0.13 to 0.10 0.10 0.10(or even lower)...because the only problem with this tank is that awful gun handling...i have bia, vents, vstabs and food on mine and that gun handling still makes me wanna kill myself...it's the only tier 10 med that has a worse gun in terms on handling than the tier 9 and even then the god damn tier 8 from the same line.

 

You realise that buff would make it pretty much the best tier10 med right? It would be better at everything than the patton.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 31 January 2018 - 10:22 PM, said:

 

You realise that buff would make it pretty much the best tier10 med right? It would be better at everything than the patton.

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with your core point, but the armour would still be rather hit or miss, the Patton on the other hand has a more reliable turret. Personally, I would prefer to see a buff to gun handling rather than more turret armour on the STB, so I can see what some of the guys above are getting at.

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 31 January 2018 - 10:24 PM, said:

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with your core point, but the armour would still be rather hit or miss, the Patton on the other hand has a more reliable turret. Personally, I would prefer to see a buff to gun handling rather than more turret armour on the STB, so I can see what some of the guys above are getting at.

 

Patton turret reliable lol. The stb1 turret recently got buffed, its pretty good now, atleast as good as the patton turret and a much smaller target. It also has 10° of gun dep,  and is faster and has better ROF.

Only the gun handling is worse.

 

The stb1s gun handling is supposed to be bad, thats what it gives up for the rest.   

Maybe it nees to be less extreme, buff the aimtime to 2s, dispersion to 0.14,0.14 and 0.10. Anything more is overkill.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 31 January 2018 - 10:22 PM, said:

 

You realise that buff would make it pretty much the best tier10 med right? It would be better at everything than the patton.

Stb has 1 degree of gun depression more than patton...about 100 dpm more and not that much more mobile(all it has is higher top speed, the acceleration is almost the same or worse)...patton has...10mm more pen...70% better gun handling...or almost double if we take everything into account (which, IS A LOT) and 10m more view range...so...the armour..lets say is kind of the same...the view range and the depression..lets say it cancels out...the dpm and the pen it cancels out...but....that gun handling...is just wow..way above and beyond those 8kph extra top speed that stb has...1.9 vs 2.3 aim time.....0.10 0.10 0.08 vs 0.16 0.16 0.14...it's about 70% all round better dispersion and with the 0.4 better aim time...you can easily say it has 2 times better gun handling than stb.


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STB-1 has atrocious gun handling while the Obj140 that has 50-100 less DPM has laser like gun handling......

Wargaming is still balancing the Rasja way after all these years.

 

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View Postbrumbarr, on 31 January 2018 - 10:22 PM, said:

 

You realise that buff would make it pretty much the best tier10 med right? It would be better at everything than the patton.

One difference, Patton have turret armour. STB don't.

At least my CAX doesn't pen Patton turrets but do pen STB turrets when I saw it last time. But then I haven't seen a STB in a very long time.

 

Which would make the tanks different and make them useful in different positions.

 

Then if Patton gets overrun and left behind. Buff Patton,  but buff like mobility or turret armour or something.

So every god damn T10 medium (except Ruski onea) are just not different types of 10 degrees of gun depression with decent turret armour and 390 alpha. 


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I think WG totally forgot that there is a tank named STB-1 in their game, which means we can't expect for any buff soon. So few people playing with this tank that not enough reclamaiton arrives to WG to make any steps. There is no problem if nobody is crying about it. 

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View PostValkyrionX, on 31 January 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

stb-1 need a strong turret armor +significant gun soft stat buff

 

leopard 1 its a crap tank..is like to play an amx cdc at tier X but with a german gun...need a serius rework. +significant gun soft stat buff and a serious buff to module HP

 

amx 30 and amx30B need a huuuge penetration buff to standard ammo and gold ammo too

 

e50 and e50m need a bit strong turret armor Both needs a DPM buff and a mobility buff, in particular the E-50 is painfull. And 220pen on standard ammo is just not good enough in current meta for the E-50

 

 

.....and as always the russian meds lead the game for its good general characteristics (dpm, armor, mobility, accuracy)

 

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View Postbrumbarr, on 31 January 2018 - 10:33 PM, said:

 

Patton turret reliable lol. The stb1 turret recently got buffed, its pretty good now, atleast as good as the patton turret and a much smaller target. It also has 10° of gun dep,  and is faster and has better ROF.

Only the gun handling is worse.

 

The stb1s gun handling is supposed to be bad, thats what it gives up for the rest.   

Maybe it nees to be less extreme, buff the aimtime to 2s, dispersion to 0.14,0.14 and 0.10. Anything more is overkill.

 

The STB turret is total garbage. You barely ever bounce anything with it while the Patton turret does. Speed-wise the Patton doesnt feel much slower and the DPM doesnt matter if you have to aim for ages. The pen on the STB can be an issue as well, compared to the Patton.



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View PostZlatanArKung, on 01 February 2018 - 09:46 AM, said:

One difference, Patton have turret armour. STB don't.

At least my CAX doesn't pen Patton turrets but do pen STB turrets when I saw it last time. But then I haven't seen a STB in a very long time.

 

Which would make the tanks different and make them useful in different positions.

 

Then if Patton gets overrun and left behind. Buff Patton,  but buff like mobility or turret armour or something.

So every god damn T10 medium (except Ruski onea) are just not different types of 10 degrees of gun depression with decent turret armour and 390 alpha. 

 

View Postsomegras, on 01 February 2018 - 10:44 AM, said:

 

The STB turret is total garbage. You barely ever bounce anything with it while the Patton turret does. Speed-wise the Patton doesnt feel much slower and the DPM doesnt matter if you have to aim for ages. The pen on the STB can be an issue as well, compared to the Patton.

Sorry no, the stb1 turret is atleast as good if not better.

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The stb1s turret pennable areas are atleast as small if not smaller than the pattons, you need atleast 250 pen to pen both. But the stb1 is a much smaller target. I can tell you from having played the patton  for around 200 games the last week the turret just doesnt hold up.

 

The stb1 is significantly faster, 53 instead of  45 is massive. 

 

I am not saying the stb1 is a better tank, but if you buff the gunhandling to the same levels as the patton the stb1 becomes better than it and probably the best T10 researchable med.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 01 February 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

The stb1s turret pennable areas are atleast as small if not smaller than the pattons, you need atleast 250 pen to pen both. But the stb1 is a much smaller target. I can tell you from having played the patton  for around 200 games the last week the turret just doesnt hold up.

 

The stb1 is significantly faster, 53 instead of  45 is massive. 

 

I am not saying the stb1 is a better tank, but if you buff the gunhandling to the same levels as the patton the stb1 becomes better than it and probably the best T10 researchable med.

 

Well, I 3 marked yhe STB recently and I only remember bouncing a single shell in that session. I dont know if you've played the STB, but the turret never holds up in practice.






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