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Ghrang #1 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:38 AM

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Hej fellow tankers!

 

Every tank has its own mechanic to survive in the game. When a player negates it, it might be cheating. Let's have a look at some examples:

 

Artillery relies on 'invisibility' being far away from spotting. "Red Ball" shows its position => illegal cheating.
Light Tanks and many MT's rely on speed being difficult to hit. "Aim Bots" help to shoot them nevertheless => illegal cheating.
Most Heavy Tanks and many TD's rely on armor being hard to penetrate. Using "Gold-Ammo" makes it easier to damage = Officially allowed cheating!

 

some personal thoughts:

I would be happy to pay a monthly fee for a gold-ammo-free server. I don't like cheating, whether legal or illegal.

 



Jigabachi #2 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:48 AM

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This is a very intelligent thread that will totally turn into a constructive discussion.

Drone81 #3 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:51 AM

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cheating is NEVER legal and in some cases even a crime (changing game file etc)

K_A #4 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:52 AM

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There's a difference in a cheat and a game mechanic. If you haven't figured this out yet, I have news for you that you're not going to like...

 

/thread, nothing to see here

 

EDIT also this is why the downvote-button was a good thing...


Edited by K_A, 01 February 2018 - 11:54 AM.


Jethro_Grey #5 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:03 PM

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View PostGhrang, on 01 February 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

Hej fellow tankers!

 

Every tank has its own mechanic to survive in the game. When a player negates it, it might be cheating. 

Or it might be skill and the ability to understand and use game mechanics to his/ her advantage...lets not forget, not everyone is a dumb window-licker.

 

Let's have a look at some examples:

 

Artillery relies on 'invisibility' being far away from spotting. "Red Ball" shows its position => illegal cheating. Never heard of Red Ball and i assume many other players didn't either. And red balls can't be worse then blue balls anyways.
Light Tanks and many MT's rely on speed being difficult to hit. "Aim Bots" help to shoot them nevertheless => illegal cheating. According to a CC, aimbots aim for the center of mass and are in most cases useless.
Most Heavy Tanks and many TD's rely on armor being hard to penetrate. Using "Gold-Ammo" makes it easier to damage = Officially allowed cheating! *facepalm...really? A game mechanic is cheating? Bwahahahahaha

 

some personal thoughts:

I would be happy to pay a monthly fee for a gold-ammo-free server. I don't like cheating, whether legal or illegal.

It seems buying premium time includes entertainment of the questionable kind on the fourums. :D

 

 

View PostK_A, on 01 February 2018 - 11:52 AM, said:

There's a difference in a cheat and a game mechanic. If you haven't figured this out yet, I have news for you that you're not going to like...

 

/thread, nothing to see here

 

EDIT also this is why the downvote-button was a good thing...

 

Exactly.

Actually, this thread has an entertainment value many other 'cheats 'n haxxor' threads lack. 

This is a entirely new level of 'special'.

 

:popcorn:


Edited by Jethro_Grey, 01 February 2018 - 12:05 PM.


_Hakkapeliitta_ #6 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:06 PM

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would u have littlebit time to talk about our lord and savior  jesus christ????

unhappy_bunny #7 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:13 PM

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View Post_Hakkapeliitta_, on 01 February 2018 - 12:06 PM, said:

would u have littlebit time to talk about our lord and savior  jesus christ????

 

?

 

Can he help eliminate the so-called cheats?

Can he help improve my win rate? I do need help in that department.



Draz_H #8 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:14 PM

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I AM NOT ASHAMED OF TELLING EVERYONE THAT I SMELL MY OWN FARTS.

Lomion_EU #9 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:16 PM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 01 February 2018 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

?

 

Can he help eliminate the so-called cheats?

Can he help improve my win rate? I do need help in that department.

 

I'm sure that the right beleiver will tell you that he can and every one else will claim HAXXX

MarcoStrapone #10 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:21 PM

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we all know its exist and we all know it being discussed here , nothing WG can do about it. so its knid of grind water.

jabster #11 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:22 PM

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I think the OP has got a point and that’s why I consider using anything but a stock gun cheating.

wsatnutter #12 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:26 PM

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Again we see a classic case of an overdose of over cooked sprouts causing random lunatic thoughts with an urge to seek out the forum and post. We the galatic sprout federation are working on a  cure.

DurtiArry #13 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:27 PM

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View Postjabster, on 01 February 2018 - 11:22 AM, said:

I think the OP has got a point and that’s why I consider using anything but a stock gun (and zero skill crew) cheating.

FTFY sir.



Enforcer1975 #14 Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:15 PM

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View PostJethro_Grey, on 01 February 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

 

 

Exactly.

Actually, this thread has an entertainment value many other 'cheats 'n haxxor' threads lack. 

This is a entirely new level of 'special'.

 

:popcorn:

 

Nah i think that guy who claimed everybody who kills him was using hacks and got caught was stupid enough show himself using hacks was more entertaining. 

HugSeal #15 Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:29 PM

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View Postwsatnutter, on 01 February 2018 - 12:26 PM, said:

Again we see a classic case of an overdose of over cooked sprouts causing random lunatic thoughts with an urge to seek out the forum and post. We the galatic sprout federation are working on a  cure.

 

So, OP had like one or two sprouts?



jabster #16 Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:37 PM

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View PostHugSeal, on 01 February 2018 - 12:29 PM, said:

 

So, OP had like one or two sprouts?

 

I beleive the OP maybe short of the required number of sprouts to make a roast.

wsatnutter #17 Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:58 PM

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View PostHugSeal, on 01 February 2018 - 12:29 PM, said:

 

So, OP had like one or two sprouts?

 

we at the federation of sprouts believe for that original poster must of consumed a bakers dozen , these cases are extremely rare but do happen. A team of S.H.I.T operatives are on their way

 

Sprouts

 

Harvesters

 

In

 

Tandem

 


 

to take control

will update when intell comes in


Edited by wsatnutter, 01 February 2018 - 01:58 PM.


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View Post_Hakkapeliitta_, on 01 February 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

would u have littlebit time to talk about our lord and savior  jesus christ????

 

Only if he can play in nets for us on Sunday; St Georges Field, behind the Brother factory in Audenshaw; fiver subs if he plays.

jabster #19 Posted 01 February 2018 - 02:12 PM

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View PostCaptain_Kremen0, on 01 February 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

 

Only if he can play in nets for us on Sunday; St Georges Field, behind the Brother factory in Audenshaw; fiver subs if he plays.

 

Jesus saves but Carlo scores on the rebound.



Balc0ra #20 Posted 01 February 2018 - 02:24 PM

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View PostGhrang, on 01 February 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

Hej fellow tankers!

 

Hei

 

View PostGhrang, on 01 February 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

Every tank has its own mechanic to survive in the game. When a player negates it, it might be cheating. Let's have a look at some examples:

 

So basically, any counter to your survival, be it vanilla or a mod is cheating regardless? Why are you even playing?

 

View PostGhrang, on 01 February 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

Artillery relies on 'invisibility' being far away from spotting. "Red Ball" shows its position => illegal cheating

 

True, but it's because it's info your client gets from the server. Arty is the only unspotted class that gets a tracer when firing. As in making it easier to spot their location to counter fire. SPG players are creatures of habits. And will go to the exact same spot as 90% of other SPG players on every map. Narrowing the search area down for enemy arty down to nothing.  Knocks over half a forest doing so. And don't move after firing. Or will even move out of that spot after a flank is gone. So as an enemy arty player. Most have an easy time countering. And when the enemy arty is looking at that area that 90% of SPG players use. You don't even need a red ball. Just wait for the tracer and fire behind it. Thus why some say move after firing. As that's what red ball and the tracer does. It shows your position when firing... not when moving. Red ball is an problem yes. But something you can counter. Bigger issue IMO is that everyone thinks that when you use the vanilla tracer to counter. You cheat with red ball.

 

View PostGhrang, on 01 February 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

Light Tanks and many MT's rely on speed being difficult to hit. "Aim Bots" help to shoot them nevertheless => illegal cheating.

 

Help is the keyword here. They can lead your aim for you if you can do that yourself. And when you can lead a moving target, you're still a cheater. As it's 100% impossible according to most. So no one wins on that either way. But... even if you use an aim bot to lead for you, or you lead yourself. Dispersion is not something you can cheat. And most will still need a few shots to hit you. But that's not the problem. It's that one that hits that is. Aim bot or not, if you hit anyone on the move.... You're a cheater either way.

 

View PostGhrang, on 01 February 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

Most Heavy Tanks and many TD's rely on armor being hard to penetrate. Using "Gold-Ammo" makes it easier to damage = Officially allowed cheating!

 

And you never used it ever right?

 

View PostGhrang, on 01 February 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

I would be happy to pay a monthly fee for a gold-ammo-free server. I don't like cheating, whether legal or illegal.

 

So what you are saying is. You want a server that makes your VK 45.02 A with 200 pen on tier 8 100% useless vs half the HT's you face, as they have 220 to 253mm weakspots. Or for your 430 II with 201 pen, to face targets, even meds he can't deal with? So you have to run more then fight. But the two tanks you have on high tiers with a 55% WR or higher is the T95 and VK 100.01. That are both close to 60%. So their armor is the reason for that, not the gun. So it's gotta work still? A big gap from your 3rd best one. And the tanks you own that can't fight anything like that with normal ammo, you have 48 to 44% WR on. And lets be honest. The 45% WR on your VK 45.02 A... is due to the crap AP pen. Not anything else. So the only two tank that would work for you on that server is the VK 100.01 and the T95... until you get flanked or meet a gun that rape that lower plate or cupola on both your tanks. The rest would drop like a rock even more in the age of super heavies. Think about that. As I suspect. Super heavies is the only thing you would face there. No one would play that in their lights or Borsigs.. or anything with crap pen or no armor. As it would be pointless. So think about how fun that would be. As most of those super heavies, would still need gold ammo to counter, most of the super heavies they face... oh the irony.


Edited by Balc0ra, 01 February 2018 - 02:28 PM.





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