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Dammonar #1 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:28 PM

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I've been reading all these posts about cheat mods lately and i'd realy like to clear some things here. I have a very old friend (name won't be disclosed no matter what) that has been using  external tundra  throughout both ranked campaigns extensively, no aimbots laser pointers or other shenaningans just tundra and he has never been detected. After this experiment he has been very adamant that WG bans only people that have been very careless with using those mods, aimbot beeing the main perpetrator. He suggests that it is impossible to create an algorithm that can track tundra while exceedingly easy to track people that use aimbot. I for one don't think illegal mods aren't realy worth the risk however I have many examples of people that know a thing about coding and can tell you that some mods that use external sources are impossible to trace. I think WG plan is not to ban all that use mods and their main plan is to decrease them by banning the carelss users so the rest can be intimidated.

 

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RamRaid90 #2 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:30 PM

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Translation:

 

I used an illegal mod and want to make it seem like someone else did it.

 

Answer:

 

Tundra is not even a useful mod (unless you're a really bad player)



Dammonar #3 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:36 PM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 01 February 2018 - 11:30 PM, said:

Translation:

 

I used an illegal mod and want to make it seem like someone else did it.

 

Answer:

 

Tundra is not even a useful mod (unless you're a really bad player)

 

Man, I've been playing this game for longer than most people here and I've been part of the best clans. Tundra would just rui my map awareness so please stuff your accusations. And yes this thread is all about WG so called primitive algorithm

 



Axarn #4 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:48 PM

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Ah Tundra!

 

I was platooned up with someone who was in a super heavy tank in a open map. I told him to hide behind two bushes. He said he couldnt see any bushes. he got rekt within 2 mins without doing any dmg. GG WP!!!

 

 



Aikl #5 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:00 AM

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View PostDammonar, on 01 February 2018 - 10:36 PM, said:

 

(...) And yes this thread is all about WG so called primitive algorithm

 

 

Pretty sure there's none, but I'm guessing that's exactly your point.

Seeing as some people still get banned for using cheat mods, there's probably something working in the background, but it's unlikely to be client side. Consider that Autoaim++ exists in a 'legal' and 'illegal' version - where the key difference is, from what I can tell, one line of code disabling the illegal function. Not gonna try it, obviously. Yes, the snapping functionality is still allowed for the 'T' key (Requesting fire on...) - but that doesn't explain why the parameters for autoaim snapping are still included in the configuration file. Anyway, client-side detection is extremely unlikely.

 Server-side detection is more likely, think non-human mouse and keyboard inputs.

 

To some extent I bet the 'anti-cheat system' is a placeholder for the new engine. Either mod support will be discontinued, and a simple check of what is running occurs every so often, or functionality of which cheat mods depend on is tweaked/removed to render them useless. Think strictly UI mods, and restricting the game's access to e.g. broken objects beyond your viewrange.



TheComfyChair #6 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:07 AM

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I thought Tundra was a map .... back to the beer :amazed:

K_A #7 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:24 AM

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View PostTheComfyChair, on 01 February 2018 - 11:07 PM, said:

I thought Tundra was a map .... back to the beer :amazed:

 

Tundra is a map, tundra mod is n illegal mod that removes all vegetation from your client, all it leaves is empty tree trunks. Can be somewhat handy when aiming at something behind vegetation and you're not sure which way he's facing, but completely detrimental when you're trying to hide behind bushes yourself or play any kind of vision games. You don't see the bushes so you can never be sure when you're completely behind them.

ZlatanArKung #8 Posted 02 February 2018 - 01:07 AM

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Personally I think a vast amount of players would improve alot if they installed a mod that both aimed AND shot for them, and picked target.

 

If it also drove for them, it wouldnt hurt either. 


Edited by ZlatanArKung, 02 February 2018 - 01:14 AM.


Demerdenzizich #9 Posted 02 February 2018 - 01:25 AM

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I think that Dammonar said the truth about external and internal cheat mods. I can tell you that before the last bans wave, 2 members of my clan were cheating (we knew it and failed to convince them to stop). They both used tundra mod and guess what? The member using the internal tundra mod got banned (which actually made us laugh a lot and we all made fun of him for weeks) but the one using the external tundra mod never got in trouble at any time.

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And adding in a feature where it won battles and automatically called the team "noobs" at random intervals XD

xx984 #11 Posted 02 February 2018 - 01:32 AM

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View PostDemerdenzizich, on 02 February 2018 - 12:25 AM, said:

I think that Dammonar said the truth about external and internal cheat mods. I can tell you that before the last bans wave, 2 members of my clan were cheating (we knew it and failed to convince them to stop). They both used tundra mod and guess what? The member using the internal tundra mod got banned (which actually made us laugh a lot and we all made fun of him for weeks) but the one using the external tundra mod never got in trouble at any time.

 

Why would you knowingly allow such players in your clan? Just kick them straight away

Demerdenzizich #12 Posted 02 February 2018 - 01:48 AM

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View Postxx984, on 02 February 2018 - 01:32 AM, said:

 

Why would you knowingly allow such players in your clan? Just kick them straight away

 

It's actually really hard to kick your own commander. :harp:

Edited by Demerdenzizich, 02 February 2018 - 01:52 AM.


xx984 #13 Posted 02 February 2018 - 02:11 AM

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View PostDemerdenzizich, on 02 February 2018 - 12:48 AM, said:

 

It's actually really hard to kick your own commander. :harp:

 

Then why remain part of a clan where the commander is a known cheater?

Demerdenzizich #14 Posted 02 February 2018 - 02:16 AM

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View Postxx984, on 02 February 2018 - 02:11 AM, said:

 

Then why remain part of a clan where the commander is a known cheater?

 

I'm asking myself the same question.

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View PostDemerdenzizich, on 02 February 2018 - 02:16 AM, said:

 

I'm asking myself the same question.

 

Stop asking and quit. Find a better clan.

SuedKAT #16 Posted 02 February 2018 - 02:33 AM

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Internal or external don't really matter, you can quite easily check for both, there seem to be a lot of misconceptions regarding it though that falsely leads people to think one is safer than the other. However since before the fair play policy the ones being banned for cheats were the ones that openly displayed it, like the muppets that came and displayed it on the forum, now we see more and more forum posts from people being banned, so I assume WG have shoehorned a somewhat functional system into WoT rather than built it from the ground up alongside the game, this might at the moment affect one type of cheat more than the other, but it will most likely not stay that way for long.

 

Regardless though I can't imagine why anyone want to gimp themselves by using the Tunda cheat, the vision game is after all a large part of WoT so knowing exact foliage locations is quite important.



Archaean #17 Posted 02 February 2018 - 07:09 AM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 02 February 2018 - 01:07 AM, said:

Personally I think a vast amount of players would improve alot if they installed a mod that both aimed AND shot for them, and picked target.

 

If it also drove for them, it wouldnt hurt either. 

 

this sounds awfully familiar to me.

Archaean #18 Posted 02 February 2018 - 07:11 AM

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Oh right, while we are on this topic.

 

I know a friend and his friend's family member who plays WOT too uses many naughty mods. He hasn't been bannedyet.

 

I SWEAR IT'S NOT ME NONONO!



K_A #19 Posted 02 February 2018 - 10:08 AM

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View PostArchaean, on 02 February 2018 - 06:11 AM, said:

Oh right, while we are on this topic.

 

I know a friend and his friend's family member who plays WOT too uses many naughty mods. He hasn't been bannedyet.

 

I SWEAR IT'S NOT ME NONONO!

 

I also have a feeling that my old 1st grade teacher's son's ex-girlfriend's current husband's son from his former marriage plays wot and has warpack but he hasn't been banned.. But it's not me, I wouldn't even know where to find it :hiding:

Somnorila #20 Posted 02 February 2018 - 10:55 AM

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Playing with tundra would be like playing with draw range at minimum. Why would you want to not be able to see over is beyond me.

Maybe would help with poor computers? I don't believe so...

Buy in regards of being found out, i think is not really possible as you don't share that info with the server. I mean between your client and the server the info about some cover is shared, so that changes be shown to you or others. But the server can't know if you tell your client to hide everything. One possible solution would be to remove clients and have all assets on the servers. Don't know how feasible would that be though...






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