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Pansenmann #1 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:01 AM

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Since introduction of 3-5-7 mm

I find playing tier 8 tanks less and less fun.

Not only but mostly due to massive power disparities to tier 10 vehicles

which are grossly higher than f.e. tier 5 vs tier 7

 

The only real solution imo would be to remove tier 10

from "normal" random queue and

only match them against other tier 10 vehicles.

 

That way wg could also make real "end game" content that is special

and meaningful.

 

What you say?



brumbarr #2 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:07 AM

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View PostPansenmann, on 02 February 2018 - 12:01 AM, said:

Since introduction of 3-5-7 mm

I find playing tier 8 tanks less and less fun.

Not only but mostly due to massive power disparities to tier 10 vehicles

which are grossly higher than f.e. tier 5 vs tier 7

 

The only real solution imo would be to remove tier 10

from "normal" random queue and

only match them against other tier 10 vehicles.

 

That way wg could also make real "end game" content that is special

and meaningful.

 

What you say?

 

So basicly make T9 the new tier10? Hos does that solve anything?

 

And T10 also gets worse MM than before 3-5-7, they get a lot of full T10 games and they are not fun.  

So no, full tier10 games are not a solution, you just make T10 a horrible tier to play. Make T9 the new tier10 and shift the problem to T7.



Axarn #3 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:07 AM

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I'd say we need to wait for a T-D-U specialist / representative,  Someone who knows what he's talking about.

But hey, who am i eh?

 

When i play tier 8 and perform horrible. i'll just select my tier X and sealclub/focus the tier 8 tanks. I do believe it is what WG really wants, as they place my tier X more often with tier 8, then my tier 8 with tier 6.

You've got to go with the flow. if something goes horrible wrong, its not MM's fault. It is Jay_Newb you need to blame!!!

 

Good luck soldier!

 


Edited by Axarn, 02 February 2018 - 12:09 AM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 01 February 2018 - 11:07 PM, said:

 

So basicly make T9 the new tier10? Hos does that solve anything?

 

And T10 also gets worse MM than before 3-5-7, they get a lot of full T10 games and they are not fun.  

So no, full tier10 games are not a solution, you just make T10 a horrible tier to play. Make T9 the new tier10 and shift the problem to T7.

 

This basically.

 

Tier 10 already get full tier 10 games the majority of the time. i play nothing but tier 10 mainly and most games i get in are full tier 10 atleast. Boring and not fun to play and even more gold flying around than usual 



Slyspy #5 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:17 AM

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Confirmed that fun is clubbing tanks two tiers lower. Small consolation to those seals though. 

K_A #6 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:21 AM

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Just increase the occurrence of 5-10 matchmaking and decrease 3-5-7.

Pansenmann #7 Posted 02 February 2018 - 01:30 AM

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View PostK_A, on 02 February 2018 - 12:21 AM, said:

Just increase the occurrence of 5-10 matchmaking and decrease 3-5-7.

 

Would be a start but I simply don't want to be cannon fodder for tier 10 anymore when playing tier 8.

 

That's why I went back to tiers 5 to 7 mostly,

because it's possible to make an impact there.

 

I am quite fine with tier 10 only mm

when I sometimes play it.

Although the maps are too small.

(gb is a step into right direction)



shane73tank #8 Posted 02 February 2018 - 07:52 AM

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Nerf all tier 10 tanks so they are small upgrades from tier 9 , people will still want to be top of the pile, reduce cost of running vehicle slightly, increase reward for Grand battles



FAME_skill4ltu #9 Posted 02 February 2018 - 07:59 AM

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gb is the biggest pos ever so pls dont reward us for torturing ourselfs

Gboor #10 Posted 02 February 2018 - 08:14 AM

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IMO 3-5-7 template kills game not just only because of screwed mm for tier 8. It kills whole diversity. TBH if made MM system with current knowledge I would keep everything as it is, but without template - i mean limit arta, keep +2 mm for light, mirror teams, but do not use 3-5-7 template(so you never meet situation like autolose because of mediums vs heavys on malinovka). Problem solved, game back as good as it was previously but with some important tweaks, a bit smaller amount of 10s because of % for only tier 10 battles 
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Next thing according to news about cancelling WGL because esport in wot sucks as they finally admit - reduce RNG so it means making damage and penetration spread much smaller - reduce it to max -10...+10 or even -5..+5. you still see some different numbers in dmg and its not so boring as looking at 390 390 240 240 400, 440, but it is not so random as it is now

Game would get new fresh with best things of "vanilla wot" and i think this should be next move for sandbox


Edited by Gboor, 02 February 2018 - 08:22 AM.


Bora_BOOM #11 Posted 02 February 2018 - 08:47 AM

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Change templates priority and see what happens:

1.) 5-10

2.) 15-0

3.) 3-5-7



imendars #12 Posted 02 February 2018 - 09:32 AM

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No. Lets make more tier 8 games with tier 10.

Yesterday i got E3 and i have to say... it really likes all kinds of tiers...

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Geno1isme #13 Posted 02 February 2018 - 10:01 AM

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Just get rid of template nonsense altogether.

pagandk #14 Posted 02 February 2018 - 10:11 AM

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Every time I log on and play i'm reminded why WoT is not much fun anymore. Yesterday in 10 matches I was bottom tier 7 times, mid tier 2 times and once top tier. I was playing tier 7 and 8. Majority of battles I felt completely useless because I could do nothing to prevent roflstomps. 

I don't understand why equal tier battles are not favored in matchmaker. Fair battles most of the time would be nice.



AcheronEHJ #15 Posted 02 February 2018 - 10:58 AM

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Perhaps we just need some better T10 maps.

blaster1112 #16 Posted 02 February 2018 - 11:14 AM

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View PostAcheronEHJ, on 02 February 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

Perhaps we just need some better T10 maps.

 

This as well, i hate seeing mines on a full tier X game. It good for low tiers, but with tanks that all have 400+m view range it just doesn't work.

 

Changing tier X to a different MM doesn't work. It will simply create a new game where everyone cries at tier 7. The main solution would be to improve the MM to find more games of similar tiers across the board. So more 15-0 MM. Or to put the MM in a loop like the map rotation, Where you are more likely to be top tier after being bottem tier. (with a preference for same tier MM). that way you aren't fighting tanks 2 tiers above you all the time. But it can still happen.



250swb #17 Posted 02 February 2018 - 11:14 AM

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Have alternative template or random template days or weekends, just like x3 weekends. Make sure everybody knows which template they are playing with at any time, and after six months the figures will be in of what works, doesn't work, or what the players prefer, and a solution decided upon.

Edited by 250swb, 02 February 2018 - 11:15 AM.


Simeon85 #18 Posted 02 February 2018 - 11:24 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 02 February 2018 - 12:07 AM, said:

 

T10 also gets worse MM than before 3-5-7, they get a lot of full T10 games and they are not fun.  

 

 

This full tier 10 games are terrible, and let's be honest here, WG has essentially always sold tier 10 as 'grind these shiny tanks and club littler ones' and the recent MM has dramatically devalued tier 10 in my eyes. 

 

That to me has always seemed the point of tier 10, you get -2/+0 MM and that is supposed to be the incentive to grind to those tanks. 



Tinbawx #19 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:08 PM

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They could also do 4-5-6 and a 5-5-5 template and run them together with the 3-5-7. So if it´s a three tier battle, the Matchmaker chooses one of the templates, either at random, or depending on what it needs, or with certain biases depending on what works best gameplay wise.

 

It might break up the monotony of having only one template for the most common type of tier spread, it might help platoons to be top tier once in a while and it might give the match maker the flexibility to better spread the tank tiers.


Edited by Tinbawx, 02 February 2018 - 01:00 PM.


iztok #20 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:11 PM

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Hi!

The broken MM is not a problem, but consequence. WoT lacks end-game content. Or to say better, average tier-10 "joe"  does not care for all the "end-game" content WG has provided for tier-10 and just wants to play maps and modes he knows. That means all those "average joes" crowd with their tier-10 tanks (because they don't want to be lower tier) in random battles, breaking MM for tier-8 tanks.

 

IMO WG needs to lure average tier-10 joes out of random battles. But then, the tier-8 being likely the second largest population on servers, will become the same nightmare for lower tiers as is the tier-10 for tier-8 nowadays. So WG will need to create another content (events, missions) for tier-8 to get "average tier-8 joes" out of randoms. GL with that. :sceptic:

 

BR,  Iztok

 

 

 

 






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