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logaritmusnaturalis #1 Posted 03 February 2018 - 06:09 PM

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Just me who completely loves this tank? I fell in love with it when i grinding for tier 10 BC, back when it could only carry 30 AP :o It's only become that much better when you can add 12 APCR to the 30 AP. To be fair 232 pen at tier 9 is acceptable for a med autoloader.

 

I know it's statistically among the more underperforming tier 9's, especially compared to broken Czech DUM-DUM loader at tier 9. But it's clip size combined with the mobility and how the tanks "feels" mechanically just tickles me the right way, it's hull moves smoothly, it's turret moves smoothly, how the hull and turret synchronizes just feels satisfying. 

 

Only quarrel i've had with the tank is the potatoish gunhandling. But i've managed to more or less mend that problem by changing out vents for GLD and retraining crew so they have BIA. I highly recommend this setup, V.stab+Optics+GLD, if you can maintain at least 445m viewrange.  

 

 



hasnainrakha57 #2 Posted 03 February 2018 - 06:19 PM

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WG said they are going to replace it so no more love.Should I dig grave for u?

AliceUnchained #3 Posted 03 February 2018 - 06:24 PM

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I generally do like it, even though I started with 0% camo on the crew which was  a big mistake as somehow it seemed to get spotted everywhere, all the time for some reason. Only gripe I have with it, is that it has a French temperament gun; there's always at least one round seemingly leaving the barrel at a near 90º angle going straight to ground.

 

Edit: @ has57; care to link to information stating it will be replaced?


Edited by AliceUnchained, 03 February 2018 - 06:26 PM.


Sfinski #4 Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:25 PM

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What tank would be the replacement? That fits the line perfectly so I doubt it's gonna be replaced

 



hasnainrakha57 #5 Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:36 PM

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View PostSfinski, on 03 February 2018 - 06:25 PM, said:

What tank would be the replacement? That fits the line perfectly so I doubt it's gonna be replaced

 

Just teasing him :)

 



Dr_ownape #6 Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:40 PM

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Ive played it on my alt and it sits in the lower third on average damage, with an autoloader that is not very good.

 

I think, not checked or indeed played it since the change, but doesn't the 1390 beat it in most areas?



gunslingerXXX #7 Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:42 PM

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Still on the second gun with stock engine and tracks. Not loving it very much at the moment, but I think it will get alot better with top gun and some additional mobility. Also tier 9 is a bit too high for me (right now).

 

 

 

Did a nice job finishing my MT-15 for the HTC today though, an isolated WT, an isolated tortoise and 1 clip was all it took(1000 dmg and kill 2 TD's). Didn't get  honours unfortunately, but since I've recently became a scumbag and joined the dark side (mainly to get 4 orders back from SPG-15 for stug) honours is not that important anymore.

 

PLEASE, FCKNG FORUM, accept my post now, its the 3rd time...

edit: thank you forum


Edited by gunslingerXXX, 03 February 2018 - 07:43 PM.


Jigzy84 #8 Posted 03 February 2018 - 08:27 PM

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I would not be happy if they stripped the AP I really enjoyed mine free account and all really fun grind and to the 25t. 

OneSock #9 Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:41 PM

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It needs a faster reload. 40sec is too long. Let me break it down.

You can't take advantage of the full clip, if you get too close you expose yourself too much to enemy fire.

If you snipe, then likely you will only hit 4/6 as the handling isn't too great.

the 1390 is the better ninja assassin.

SnowRelic #10 Posted 04 February 2018 - 02:23 AM

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I prefer the Bat. Chat 25 APCR.

shane73tank #11 Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:13 PM

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View PostOneSock, on 03 February 2018 - 10:41 PM, said:

It needs a faster reload. 40sec is too long. Let me break it down.

You can't take advantage of the full clip, if you get too close you expose yourself too much to enemy fire.

If you snipe, then likely you will only hit 4/6 as the handling isn't too great.

the 1390 is the better ninja assassin.

I really like it but for the reasons you point out it feels like playing on “hard” mode , bring the reload down to say 32 seconds am leave th handling as is , i think this would improve the tank but not change the overall playstyle



OneSock #12 Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:58 PM

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yep. either bring down the reload or massively tweak the agility of the tank so you can get in and out easier.

 

Part of the problem in deploying the 6 shell clip is that if you try to keep on the move, when you go in, often the turret traverse or turning radius will throw off your gun and you just miss or bounce, so to be sure of getting in the damage you have to slow or stop and in doing so, you are going to take fire. do that twice in a game and you are then down to low HP or dead already. 1390s get away with this by having super agility, but the TAP doesn't have it.

 

But I think the biggest problem is the reload. a lot happens in 40sec. the number of times I get whined at while I'm reloading. You just can't carry a game while your team are just falling 1 by 1 while you reload.

 

The other problem is the long reload means taking a partial reload is very hard decision. With 1390 I often reload after even just firing 1 shell from the magazine. with TAP, you really have to think if you can spare the reload to refill the magazine. I think it would benefit from a reduced reload time to replenish the magazine if not empty.



tankqull #13 Posted 04 February 2018 - 01:26 PM

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View Postlogaritmusnaturalis, on 03 February 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

Just me who completely loves this tank? I fell in love with it when i grinding for tier 10 BC, back when it could only carry 30 AP :o It's only become that much better when you can add 12 APCR to the 30 AP. To be fair 232 pen at tier 9 is acceptable for a med autoloader.

 

I know it's statistically among the more underperforming tier 9's, especially compared to broken Czech DUM-DUM loader at tier 9. But it's clip size combined with the mobility and how the tanks "feels" mechanically just tickles me the right way, it's hull moves smoothly, it's turret moves smoothly, how the hull and turret synchronizes just feels satisfying. 

 

Only quarrel i've had with the tank is the potatoish gunhandling. But i've managed to more or less mend that problem by changing out vents for GLD and retraining crew so they have BIA. I highly recommend this setup, V.stab+Optics+GLD, if you can maintain at least 445m viewrange.  

 

 

 

i like it aswell, but i do hate that the enginge breaks out of sympathy if any other module breakes... eg. turret hit, gun breakes and commander dies and out of curiosity the engine as well... when and where ever you are hit the enginge dies aswell :P its the only tank i have i actually use large repair kits on...

Bennie182 #14 Posted 04 February 2018 - 06:29 PM

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I love it! I actually think about selling my Batchat to buy back the AP. I'm not good at playing tier 10's, partly because of the environment being trash. I did quite alright in the AP, but struggle a lot to get good games in the Batchat. I played a lot more consistent in the AP.

mjoork #15 Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:08 PM

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It is pretty bad. Looong reload, every hit is engine or tracks broken, slow turret traverse, potato cannon.

 

Plus side it is fast and smallish.

 

Not a keeper for me. Wish I bought amx instead.

 

I only manage 2000 dpg in it


Edited by mjoork, 04 February 2018 - 11:09 PM.





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