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unrealname #1 Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:11 PM

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Hey guys, as its sunday and i had a full day off + amx m4 54 is top of the tree atm, i decided to give it a go starting with grinding the xp on m4 45, after 30 battles and 600k silver lost(used the 105mm gun :P) i got enough xp to unlock 65T. My only question is, in what configuration did you grind through it? Im thinking about skipping tracks + top engine as they doesnt seem to improve tank by much if i look at the stats on tanks.gg. had the 100mm gun researched like ages ago + stock turret gives me pretty much the same dpm as on is3, even though is3 has a lot better crew. aim time and dispersion is better as well, so it shouldnt be that bad :D what did you guys do with this pile of crap? stock configuration + all booster activated? :D

 

p.s. Im not grinding for M4 54, i will stop at M4 51 :) 



imperiumgraecum #2 Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:14 PM

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Best suggestion:

Use free exp and go to t9

FluffyRedFox #3 Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:14 PM

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You'll want the top engine as it carries over to the tier 9, and it does make a difference on that thing.

If purely for grinding through it asap, stock turret + 100mm is best way to go imo as it slashes the 40k xp needed for the top gun.



ortega456 #4 Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:16 PM

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One of the worst tier 8 tanks. What makes it is the top gun so get it asap! Other than that suffer through it especially with current mm. Good luck!

RamRaid90 #5 Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:16 PM

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Tier VIII is garbage

 

Tier IX is useable, but not great.

 

Tier X is a pre nerf T110E5.



unrealname #6 Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:19 PM

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free xp would be nice, but this line isn't a priority for me, so that's not an option i guess :D i might get the tracks and the engine though ;) The top gun would be nice, but then i have to use the crap turret :(

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FluffyRedFox #7 Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:28 PM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 04 February 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

Tier IX is useable, but not great.

Glad I'm not alone in this opinion :teethhappy:



RamRaid90 #8 Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:30 PM

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View Postfishbob101, on 04 February 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

Glad I'm not alone in this opinion :teethhappy:

 

it's just an Emil without the autoloader.

 

Hull is cheese, turret is fine until you give any form of angle.


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View Postimperiumgraecum, on 04 February 2018 - 10:14 PM, said:

Best suggestion:

Use free exp and go to t9

 

​I'll do you one better and say not to touch the line at all. 

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Best setup, stock turret+2nd gun.

 

It's still crap, though.



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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 04 February 2018 - 11:37 PM, said:

​I'll do you one better and say not to touch the line at all. 

 

Well, I collect t10 tanks, and since I have every other t10 in this game in my garage(except for arties, obviously :teethhappy: ;), I have to go for it.



arthurwellsley #12 Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:01 PM

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Best suggestion:

Use free exp and go to t9

I like the tier IX, it's decent.



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You'll need lots of beer, or some non prescription, ermm.... painkillers.

 

I gave it the top engine - didn't make any difference, it's still a slug.  It's got no armour and a choice of terrible guns.  I couldn't bring myself to squander the exp on the bigger gun so I cut my losses and free exp'd out of it so I could sell it before the discount started.



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I warn you, after 20 battles you will find yourself apologising to your team at the start of every round.

_b_ #15 Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:15 PM

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Grinding it with all modules researched and mounted. It's kinda painful, but refusing to freeexp it. Small consumables and mostly normal AP...don't care enough to tryhard.

 

It's not utter thrash, but it sure isn't a very fun tank...to sluggish and gun trolls.



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View PostHomer_J, on 05 February 2018 - 12:06 AM, said:

I warn you, after 20 battles you will find yourself apologising to your team at the start of every round.

 

View PostHomer_J, on 05 February 2018 - 12:05 AM, said:

You'll need lots of beer, or some non prescription, ermm.... painkillers.

 

I gave it the top engine - didn't make any difference, it's still a slug.  It's got no armour and a choice of terrible guns.  I couldn't bring myself to squander the exp on the bigger gun so I cut my losses and free exp'd out of it so I could sell it before the discount started.

 

that shouldnt be a problem, got loads of beer and have a bar full of whiskey, vodka and some brandy so i should be able to make it through :D although there might be an issue with that - idk if my liver will cooperate :P 

I guess i have to try it out first, as i have played quite a few tanks that are considered being quite bad.



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You want tracks for better gun handling. btw. you don't get better traverse speed or ground resistances with top suspension which makes me believe it's a mistake and WG will (eventually) fix it someday.

You want engine for better traverse. It doesn't help much because of atrocious terrain resistances but it carries over to tier IX so you will grind it/free XP it anyway.

You want top turret for better gun handling, aiming time, +100 HP and +20 m view range (very important). It has weaker armour overall but stronger weakspots - they become 200+ mm when hulldown vs 60 mm tumor on stock turret. You have to ask yourself what do you prefer: make tier 9 and 10 aim for your tumor (stock turret) at the cost of getting damaged in it by every tier 6 tank or get weaker overall turret but with hulldown immunity to tier 6/7 tanks and some tier 8s.

People advise stock turret but go to wotreplays and download top 10 best XP battles - last time I checked every one of them used top turret. IMO that tumor makes extra armour irrelevant and you pay for it a lot with other stats. Top turret is the biggest upgrade you can get on this tank.

 

 

As for the gun. I tested both and 100 mm appears superior. Better aiming time on 120 doesn't matter because gun handling is worse so in the end you get nothing but 100 more alpha at the cost of worse gun handling, accuracy, APCR and 200 less DPM. 400 alpha suits this tank better (huge, slow, no armour) but the cost of it is too high. People know it's a garbage tank and they will often rush you - that's why every little bit of DPM is precious. You will make use of it very often. Also, better accuracy and penetration (including APCR) help when you are bottom tier.

 

I wonder if top guns on french tanks being unusable (on most french TDs and HTs) is intended to be "french national trait"... Oh, WG, you are so funny.



unrealname #18 Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:44 PM

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@FatigueGalaxy, tnx for your feedback, i will keep that in mind ;) much appreciated :medal:

Balc0ra #19 Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:50 PM

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Don't skip the engine or tracks. It's not gonna improve much on speed. But the stock engine and tracks kills it more then anything. As the traverse is horrific even with crew skills to even counter a flanking Lowe with a dead driver. And you will regret going up even the smallest hill climb. As half your team will be dead before you get up it with the stock engine. The engine made me hate it way less.

 

Other then that, stock gun and stock turret works better then the top turret from my experience. Tho I know ppl have argued for the top turret to DPM aside ofc. Top turret bounces way less head on IMO if you like ride lines. As they all go for that obvious spot at the top that peaks over first vs the mantle that is fairly big. The stock turret is narrower and smaller. Thus harder for ppl to hit the weakspot at med to long range. Side armor is weaker on that ofc, but at that angle is not gonna make much of a difference head on. Just hide the hull and use the gun depression for all it's worth. As the hull is never gonna bounce anything vs even tier 6 guns.



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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 04 February 2018 - 11:25 PM, said:

 

People advise stock turret but go to wotreplays and download top 10 best XP battles - last time I checked every one of them used top turret. IMO that tumor makes extra armour irrelevant and you pay for it a lot with other stats. Top turret is the biggest upgrade you can get on this tank.

Except the top turret has an even bigger weakspot in the lip below the gun as its rather large and about 180 effective. 

Stock turret just has the cupola to d!ck you over which isn't too much of an issue as rocking back and forth makes it a pain to hit. Its also got 2 extra degrees of gun depression which means a lot for a tank that has to depend on going hulldown due to how crap the hull is. 


Edited by fishbob101, 04 February 2018 - 11:52 PM.





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