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Kandly #1 Posted 06 February 2018 - 11:11 AM

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Commanders,

 

Please share your feedback regarding Update 9.22's Soviet Medium changes in this topic.

 

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Mau_Hunter #2 Posted 06 February 2018 - 04:51 PM

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Can I get any feedback on why the T-44(-100) and T54 mod. 1 get buffs?

 

Especially the T-44. When I had this tank, it quickly became my favourite tier 8 medium and I 3-marked it with both guns (yes, also the 122 mm before the buffs to that gun).

I also enjoyed the buffs that the tank recieved, because it started to lag behind due to the powercreep of the tier 8 premium medium tanks.

Now, the tank is in a perfectly fine state and I would love some other tier 8 mediums to be taken a look at. However, these buffs in the dispersion make some other tier 8 mediums that the T-44 already matched very preferably to look even worse: look at the T-34-2. I own this tank now instead of the T-44, and it is really a bad vehicle. I 3-marked it with both guns, the 100 AND the 122, and both guns have got accuracy and dispersion stats comparable to a heavy tank.

 

Now, the T-34-2 already pales in comparison to the T-44 as it is worse in almost every stat except for the size and camo maybe. But these buffs to the T-44...? If you compare the tanks on Tanks.gg, you will see a sea of red in almost every stat of the T-34-2.. it is made almost obsolete! And the T-44 not only outperforms this sad little Chinese medium, a lot of the tier 8 mediums seem bad in comparison to this newly buffed T-44.

 

Please reconsider these buffs, and (especially now the Chinese tanks have a special going for them!!) take a look at some other forgotten tanks like the T-34-2. Please.



vV_TIO_Vv #3 Posted 06 February 2018 - 05:48 PM

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Could you not of placed images of the new finalised tech trees in the news article? 

 

What happens to those who have obj 430 II and say 50,000 xp? Does the xp go on new IX 430? Do they have to buy the new tier IX to continue the grind to tier X? I'm well confused as from what I've seen over the past month is that those with the original tier 9 They go to a dead end for who knows how long?   



SaltyDule #4 Posted 06 February 2018 - 06:12 PM

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Meh, 430U should have same DPM as 113, and 1 degree more gun depression.

 



Jogi23 #5 Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:54 PM

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View PostMau_Hunter, on 06 February 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

Can I get any feedback on why the T-44(-100) and T54 mod. 1 get buffs?

 

Especially the T-44. When I had this tank, it quickly became my favourite tier 8 medium and I 3-marked it with both guns (yes, also the 122 mm before the buffs to that gun).

I also enjoyed the buffs that the tank recieved, because it started to lag behind due to the powercreep of the tier 8 premium medium tanks.

Now, the tank is in a perfectly fine state and I would love some other tier 8 mediums to be taken a look at. However, these buffs in the dispersion make some other tier 8 mediums that the T-44 already matched very preferably to look even worse: look at the T-34-2. I own this tank now instead of the T-44, and it is really a bad vehicle. I 3-marked it with both guns, the 100 AND the 122, and both guns have got accuracy and dispersion stats comparable to a heavy tank.

 

Now, the T-34-2 already pales in comparison to the T-44 as it is worse in almost every stat except for the size and camo maybe. But these buffs to the T-44...? If you compare the tanks on Tanks.gg, you will see a sea of red in almost every stat of the T-34-2.. it is made almost obsolete! And the T-44 not only outperforms this sad little Chinese medium, a lot of the tier 8 mediums seem bad in comparison to this newly buffed T-44.

 

Please reconsider these buffs, and (especially now the Chinese tanks have a special going for them!!) take a look at some other forgotten tanks like the T-34-2. Please.

 

The problem in my eyes is not the T-44, the problem are the 2 premium tanks! They can nerf the T-44 again, if it turns out to be OP, but according to their own "philisophy" they can not nerf premium tanks!

 

Compare T44 and T-44-100:

T-44-100 now has better gun handling and aimtime, same power/weight ratio and half ground resistance! And they can never nerf it!

 


Edited by Jogi23, 06 February 2018 - 09:57 PM.


sifis_21 #6 Posted 07 February 2018 - 01:49 AM

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here is some feedback. delete this scam topic. u never got any feedback and its not going to change now even if we write in russian.

Edited by sifis_21, 07 February 2018 - 01:52 AM.


von_Stokovsky #7 Posted 07 February 2018 - 10:56 AM

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Why is the t-44-100 better than t-44? Apart from lower engine hp and hull traverse it is straight out pay to win.

kalo_voli #8 Posted 07 February 2018 - 11:36 AM

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Found the crew in T-44-100 where I had used it as well.

I didn't search there before, because I was expecting to find it in barracks (as described in the news article).

 

Crew Missing from 430. Not available in 430U either. Nor in the barracks. Crew disappeared. I had 23 battles in 430 and crew trained to 100% (and some advance in perks). No stats available for 430, as if I had never used it. What should I do? Submit a ticket, just wait, ...or what?


Edited by kalo_voli, 07 February 2018 - 01:22 PM.


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here the same crew missing off the obj. 430 ??

Found them back in the KV-13 ?? very strange

 


Edited by Jdv0029, 07 February 2018 - 12:02 PM.


MIKE007CAR #10 Posted 07 February 2018 - 12:33 PM

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I research the obj 430, however i kept Obj 416 for obvious reasons... i want to research also the T-54. So, i had done already 20.668xp and never thought that in this update that xp, the obj 416 and its crew are totally uselles!

I think, for fair policy, that WG should retrained the crew of obj 416 to T-44 and all xp i have in obj 416 should be trransferred to T-44 or transformed in free xp!

If dont intended to do this, at least let i continue with obj 416 and research the t-54, opening that line as used to be!

Thanks for your atention

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Veka26 #11 Posted 07 February 2018 - 01:37 PM

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Played some games in T-44 today. The buffs it received boggle the mind, if feels like T-54 ltwt with speed limiter. Especially when you play it back to back with Pershing which is what I did today. T-44 seems better in everything except in gun depression. Pershing is slower AND has 0,6 sec longer reload than T-44 for 10 less alpha. Pershings 20m vr advantage barely makes up for its huge size, my T-44 still gets over 445 without food and has almost a light tank camo.

T-54 mod 1 seems overbuffed now since it has almost same P/W as T-44 had pre patch.

Played against and with 430U in my teams, horrible players doing 4k dmg at least in them. Saw that coming.



im_your_penetrator #12 Posted 07 February 2018 - 01:47 PM

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i must say one thing !! before patch 09.22 and object 430u sinonim for best armor is e50m,,now he isnt ... i mean object 430u have better ufp,better camo,,better side armor,better turret armor,stronger alpha and dpm...Wargaming you must buff e50m ...atleast side armor off hull and turret from 80mm to 100mm ...that will be just fine and ok!

Dark_Souls #13 Posted 07 February 2018 - 02:14 PM

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Hi

 the object 430U is the worst tank update ever. i love the object 430 and now its not worth playing. my favourite tank was the object 430 and its gone now.

I think the need to make the tank get better overall armour or the make it have a better gun in regards to disruption from 0.4 to 0.36  because as it is right now i wont be playing it. 

 

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iOrion #14 Posted 07 February 2018 - 04:53 PM

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This update fucked up everyone who was aiming to get the 430 before the patch, but wasnt able to get it, only halfway somewhere, did any of you think about this? 150k free xp sucessfully wasted, well done.

Srbinbre #15 Posted 07 February 2018 - 11:46 PM

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So i had Obj. 430 II researched and it's now gone...

Like grinding 150,000 exp for nothing......................................

 

Thx WG.

 



Hiisi #16 Posted 08 February 2018 - 05:23 AM

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Obj430 seems quite ok.

obj430u is way too good. And its stupid tank woth no weakspots.

 

Obj430u needs nerfs. Drop viewrange to 390. Drop alfa to 390 (china will stay top alfa medium as it should). Keep the dpm at similar or +100 level. Front armor plate needs nerf of 10-20 mm. Front turret needs to be 280 mm and cupolas need to be 180 mm thick weakspots. 



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Before update, how much shell cost to T-44, with 100mm gun? the same 252 silver ?

Agent_327 #18 Posted 08 February 2018 - 09:38 AM

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View PostJogi23, on 06 February 2018 - 09:54 PM, said:

 

The problem in my eyes is not the T-44, the problem are the 2 premium tanks! They can nerf the T-44 again, if it turns out to be OP, but according to their own "philisophy" they can not nerf premium tanks!

 

Compare T44 and T-44-100:

T-44-100 now has better gun handling and aimtime, same power/weight ratio and half ground resistance! And they can never nerf it!

 

They have nerfed many premium tanks before. They also state it in the eula that they can do so when you buy them. They have in many instances chosen not to do so but just removed it from the premium shop. Don't you think that it's on purpose? Is it not just to hype them further?  I think that they have sold a lot more e25's during christmas event than they ever would have if they have nerfed it.



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I opened ticket but I guess I might post it here as well. Pre-patch I researched T-54 from Object 416 (there was such possibility) and was in 66% of getting Object 430 II researched (over 100.000 exp). I did not buy T-54 yet. Post patch T-54 is locked back , object 430 II is unlocked and over 100.000 exp on object 416 goes to waste since it no longer leads to T-54 or anything else. Now I don't remember ANY warning to buy T-54 before patch is introduced otherwise exp is transferred... In other topic someone posted he had T-54 unlocked from 416, bought it and post patch got all line (through T-43, T-44) unlocked as well in the process. Now I DID unlock T-54 and I don't intend to go through all those T-43 etc. to get back what I already HAD! I'd expect fix/compensation is already in-progress but atm the issue ticket I created yesterday hasn't even been addressed. And in-game chat problems still occurring indicates WG developers can't get that mess under control. I have a bad feeling about 1.0 

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View PostPromil1984, on 08 February 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

I opened ticket but I guess I might post it here as well. Pre-patch I researched T-54 from Object 416 (there was such possibility) and was in 66% of getting Object 430 II researched (over 100.000 exp). I did not buy T-54 yet. Post patch T-54 is locked back , object 430 II is unlocked and over 100.000 exp on object 416 goes to waste since it no longer leads to T-54 or anything else. Now I don't remember ANY warning to buy T-54 before patch is introduced otherwise exp is transferred... In other topic someone posted he had T-54 unlocked from 416, bought it and post patch got all line (through T-43, T-44) unlocked as well in the process. Now I DID unlock T-54 and I don't intend to go through all those T-43 etc. to get back what I already HAD! I'd expect fix/compensation is already in-progress but atm the issue ticket I created yesterday hasn't even been addressed. And in-game chat problems still occurring indicates WG developers can't get that mess under control. I have a bad feeling about 1.0 

Well they did announce that the Object 416 no longer would lead to T-54 long time ago as they published tech tree's showing it. So I don't think that you have a good case.






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