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matej100 #1 Posted 06 February 2018 - 11:10 PM

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E 100 has many weakspots and after adding new tanks to game, its armor has become poor:

 

Lower plate on this tank is apsolute garbage, barely 220 mm of efective armor

Turret gets penetrated in turret ring and in commander view ports all the time (250 and 200 effectiive ) 

If you try to angle its even worse because of side armor is only 200 when front armor in angled to bounce shells.

Model says track and wheels will apsorbe shells but that doesnt happend.

 

and now if that wasnt enough:  UPDATE 9.22 

 

Object 705 with almost the same gun but MUCH better armor

Object 268 version 4 with also MUCH better armor than Jgpz E100 

 

I have compared armor of badger, 268/4 and Jgpz because these are slow but very well armored tanks (T110e3  also belong in that group)

Badger side  armor is similar to Jgpz, but Jgpz has huge lower plate (weaker  than Badgers) and cupola (160 mm of armor) which Badger doesnt have.

268/4 has no lower plate as weakspot ,it is actually thickest part of the tank and commander view device has 250mm( i dont know if i should call that a weakspot)

 

WG said they would listen to players complaints so here is mine:

add 20 mm of effective armor to lower plate of both Jgpz E 100 and E 100

remove cupola or leave it but match it with upper armor (280 - 300mm)

 

Write your experince with this tank please.I will appreciate it  

 

 


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TheWarrener #2 Posted 06 February 2018 - 11:12 PM

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How about we nerf maus and type 5 instead 

soul3ater #3 Posted 06 February 2018 - 11:15 PM

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I agree the turret heat spam is pathetic but the 750 alpha with good amount of hp makes it somewhat ok.

 

 



hasnainrakha57 #4 Posted 07 February 2018 - 10:16 AM

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I HAVE BEEN WRITING ON FORUM ABOUT E100 THAT THING IS TOTALLY JUNK NOW HUGE LOWER PLATE WITH useless armor TRASH TURRET!.

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Again, E100 is fine. Nerf to maus, type5 and 705A LFP should happen instead.

HundeWurst #6 Posted 07 February 2018 - 10:28 AM

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Well the latest patch is one of Russian bias and total incompetence of the balancing department.

 

I already foresee the threads about the totally broken Obj. 268V4. People are going to love to hate that thing.



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If a player like me managed 54% win rate in the E100, i guess there is nothing wrong with the tank. In full tier X battles..you can trade with any other HT (except the recently added 705A). In 3-5-7 MM....don't think you can have problems dealing with TigerII, IS-3, Mutz, etc.

 

 



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 Depends on what the new "balance" is supposed to be.
If WG is balancing tanks to force gold spam, which seems to be the case, than the E100 needs a buff. 
Is WG finally going to admit that the Maus and Type 5 were made stupidly OP in order to force gold spam and they will be nerfed soon, than the E100 is fine. 

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View Postdoriansky1, on 07 February 2018 - 09:32 AM, said:

If a player like me managed 54% win rate in the E100, i guess there is nothing wrong with the tank. In full tier X battles..you can trade with any other HT (except the recently added 705A). In 3-5-7 MM....don't think you can have problems dealing with TigerII, IS-3, Mutz, etc.

 

 

We are not talking about u we r talking about whole community not only u play world of tanks.



Simeon85 #10 Posted 07 February 2018 - 10:36 AM

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We don't need more dumb heavy tanks with no weakspots. 

 

Weakspots need to be added back to tanks like the Maus and added to tanks like the Pz VII, Type 5 and the new Russian abominations.

 

That way, players that play these tanks and don't hide their weakspots get punished and die, as they should do. 



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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 07 February 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

We are not talking about u we r talking about whole community not only u play world of tanks.

 

I'm an average player, so i think my stats are relevant when you say "whole community". E-100 is fine, that's my opinion.

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View PostDava_117, on 07 February 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

Again, E100 is fine. Nerf to maus, type5 and 705A LFP should happen instead.

Nerf type5,maus,defender,obj430u,obj268v4,type4,wz1115a,badger,fv4005,super conqueror,obj907 and etc.

Will WG EVER NERF THEM THE AMSWER IS NO.WILL WG REMOVE GOLD AMMO ANSWER IS NO.SO WHY NOT BUFF BAD STATS TANK TOAKE THEM EQUAL TO OTHER THANKS LIKE I MENTIONED ABOVE?



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View PostSimeon85, on 07 February 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

We don't need more dumb heavy tanks with no weakspots. 

 

Weakspots need to be added back to tanks like the Maus and added to tanks like the Pz VII, Type 5 and the new Russian abominations.

 

That way, players that play these tanks and don't hide their weakspots get punished and die, as they should do. 

 

PZ VII has 3 weakspots: lower plate, those flat triangles that are "shootable" when he sidescrape, and the ***** gun mantlet. So another good tank , with pros and cons. Type5 is totally retarded, i agree :)

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View Postdoriansky1, on 07 February 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

 

I'm an average player, so i think my stats are relevant when you say "whole community". E-100 is fine, that's my opinion.

Never mind your AVG DMG in e100 tells how well u perform in it! Means need buff for e100;)



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View Postdoriansky1, on 07 February 2018 - 10:40 AM, said:

 

PZ VII has 3 weakspots: lower plate, those flat triangles that are "shootable" when he sidescrape, and the ***** gun mantlet. So another good tank , with pros and cons. Type5 is totally retarded, i agree :)

 

Lower plate on the Panzer VII is not a weakspot. It's 270 effective flat on, the shoulders are only weakspots when angled, from the front they are auto-bounce and the mantlet is pixel hunting, you could fire 10 shots into those spots from point blank range and be lucky to pen two. 

 

If you are faced with a Panzer VII frontally, then with tier 10 standard ammo you are basically screwed because you'll be lucky to pen 10% of your shots. Hence why everyone spams heat at Panzer VIIs. 



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What E100 is need are few fix to match some facts. 

-Top speed of this tank should be 38, that was planned by Engineers. WG cap that on 30 for no REASON.
-Hull space armor HAD IN REAL LIFE 75 mm thick, in game its 60, again, WHY ? 
-Turret ring should have WAY MORE ARMOR, reason. Well plate is way longer leading to turret ring, I think WG need to change thickness of that armor to 305 mm. We have frontal plate of 250 mm and bottom plate of 55mm. Look on tanks.gg. SO thickness of turret ring should be 305mm. 

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Blue zone should have this 305 mm armor, only.
 


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 07 February 2018 - 10:39 AM, said:

Nerf type5,maus,defender,obj430u,obj268v4,type4,wz1115a,badger,fv4005,super conqueror,obj907 and etc.

Will WG EVER NERF THEM THE AMSWER IS NO.WILL WG REMOVE GOLD AMMO ANSWER IS NO.SO WHY NOT BUFF BAD STATS TANK TOAKE THEM EQUAL TO OTHER THANKS LIKE I MENTIONED ABOVE?

 

Because:

A) we don't need more armour on tier X tanks

B) Most of the tank you named have different role namely

   -430U is a med

   -268v4 is a TD (and BTW, you can pen it quite easly with HEAT)

   -if you can't pen type4 with E100, you should really take a look at you gameplay in it (derp still need to go)

   -Badger is a TD, and E100 is one of the few tanks how can deal with a hulldown badger using HE

   -FV4005 can agin be easily out-traded using HE

   -with Sconq and WZ5A is the same as badger. AP(or HEAT as you prefere) when not hulldown, HE on the roof if hulldown.

 

View Postares354, on 07 February 2018 - 10:48 AM, said:

What E100 is need are few fix to match some facts. 

-Top speed of this tank should be 38, that was planned by Engineers. WG cap that on 30 for no REASON.
-Hull space armor HAD IN REAL LIFE 75 mm thick, in game its 60, again, WHY ? 
-Turret ring should have WAY MORE ARMOR, reason. Well plate is way longer leading to turret ring, I think WG need to change thickness of that armor to 305 mm. We have frontal plate of 250 mm and bottom plate of 55mm. Look on tanks.gg. SO thickness of turret ring should be 305mm. 

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Blue zone should have this 305 mm armor, only.
 

 

One of you best post Ares. I wouldn't mind that 8 more Km/h and 15mm spaced armour. It can be a little balanced buff just to remove the few powercreep E100 got.

I would just give that buff to the turret lower part for a couple of reasons. The first is that WG has never considered interception of armour plate as the sum of the 2 thickness (also because the turret floor is perpendicular to the frontal plate so the effective thickness would be about 3-4K mm so 3-4m). The second one is that 305mm would have the same effect of the frontal armour of T95: impossible to pen for AP but butter for HEAT, so once you facehug someone, he would just load gold and pen it every time you aim at him. With 250mm, player would be invited to use AP, so it's easyer to RNG to bounce it or you can overangle a bit to bait them a shot.


 

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Except E100 needs no buffs, other super heavies need toning down. 

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View PostDava_117, on 07 February 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

 

Because:

A) we don't need more armour on tier X tanks

B) Most of the tank you named have different role namely

   -430U is a med

   -268v4 is a TD (and BTW, you can pen it quite easly with HEAT)

   -if you can't pen type4 with E100, you should really take a look at you gameplay in it (derp still need to go)

   -Badger is a TD, and E100 is one of the few tanks how can deal with a hulldown badger using HE

   -FV4005 can agin be easily out-traded using HE

   -with Sconq and WZ5A is the same as badger. AP(or HEAT as you prefere) when not hulldown, HE on the roof if hulldown.

 

 Heh, i love the "gold ammo is balance" answer, "just spam gold at it, I do and occasionally it works for me". Gold is not balance, because gold ruins more tanks than it actually balances, A LOT MORE.
With what tank are you exactly out trading a Badger and FV4005 with HE? Because you have nothing that can do that. Are you just copying advice you hear on the internet without even thinking about it? 

I do however agree that we don't need more tanks with super armor and no weakspots, what we need is to nerf the problem tanks and remove gold. Which isn't going to happen, so... buff e100, why the [edited]not. 
 

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View PostSimeon85, on 07 February 2018 - 11:21 AM, said:

Except E100 needs no buffs, other super heavies need toning down. 

 

It need  fixes I talk about. Nothing game breaking, and match historical facts. 

We dont ask about mobility buff to E100, just top speed limit. Side armor is buff, but again, historical. US or Uk soldier did in fact found E100 parts, and E100 side skirts was there. And this buff to turret ring should be done to many tanks, not only E100.  




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